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the coast of New England. Steensby, however, con- 

 tended that Leif 's Vinland and Karlsefni's Hop were 

 far up the St. Lawrence. Gustav Holm agreed with 

 Steensby that Hop was there, but he believed that 

 Leif 's Vinland was on the southeastern coast of New 

 England. Correctly he pointed out that there is noth- 

 ing in the Saga of Eric the Red indicating that Leif 

 and Karlsefni reached the same place.*^ But this has 

 generally been assumed because the landfall of both 

 had the same characteristics, that is, self-sown wheat- 

 fields and grapevines. 



Gathorne-Hardy came to the conclusion that 

 Streamf jord was the eastern extremity of Long Island 

 Sound and that Hop was the estuary of the Hudson 

 River, in other words. New York Bay.*^ 



Halldor Hermannsson does not attempt to fix the 

 locality of Hop, but he contends that it and Vinland 

 must have been south of the northern limits of the 

 wild grape, that is Passamaquoddy Bay,*^ which is on 

 the boundary of New Brunswick and Maine. On a 

 map that accompanies his article he places the name 

 Vinland with an interrogation mark at the southern 

 extremity of New England. 



Gathorne-Hardy points out that various features 

 of the earliest descriptions of the upper part of New 



^^ Holm, of. cit.y pp. 32-37. 



*2 Gathorne-Hardy, of. cit.j p. 276. 



*^ Hermannsson, Wineland Voyages, Geogr. Rev., Vol. 1 7, p. 112. 



