AvuGist 21, 1875.) 
THE: 
GARDENERS 
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room—not to the miserable number now prese 
what is good for them is good for ih President 
ere, "d 
4 
E right Азы are 
ecause I see in n Tin mes — an authority а 
the Prince of Wales presided at Marlboro ough Hous 
over à m meeting of the Commissioners ^ of the 
Societ 
The T CirAIRMAN : I beg to correct you—the meet- 
ing was one of the Commissioners, sol 
r. LIGGINS : Sale r that may have bee 
that Major-General Scott bas got the whole credit for 
whatever has been done, but i 1 тете 
that this very same Моке Scott and Sir Hab 
Col lways o d Ug of the 
Society, a turned out a b Cou 
RMAN asked Mr. [лкт to keep to the 
question. 
Mr. LiGGiNS: I say itis the question. It is th 
merest justice 3 state that piped > to this 
oci xpressed by eral Sco 
the Society sition. Now, look at th 
Council sitting at the . hey are и" “pews by 
each other—they are not elected by iety at 
large. We really did not know p was the resi- 
dent the Society. * Pani dec a pe Lord 
be the President, 
n as pes 
and especially when those arrangements 
re so extremely beneficial - Her Majesty's Commis- 
si I not thi e have anything to do 
2 the Commissioners, but t Е рау eg what is jus 
to them. ms fru ieri 
nadar ee egal T w Y curse to the 
i S, I am E us sure that what 
ot give confidence to the 
so when they find such complicated terms 
laced з=, p us, and that we have not got 
m? Idon 
is not a 
d, as of intelligence 
iness our only alternative i » to adjourn 
I 
the meeting r^ a future day. second the 
resolution. T 
Mr. GUEDALLA: Mr. Chairman: I agree with 
very much at has been said by the two last 
speakers, yet I do not fall in with all their remarks, 
for I looked eme the appointment of the Council as a 
fait accompli, and, for my 5 give the 
о е pport. Still, last meeting, a 
new member of the Council told us that he 
have ne e s 
you a 
ave without resorting to artificial piene чё a as 
that of the skating rink. think you have rashly 
entered into s arrangements or agreements by 
which you intend to raise your о £10,000 
a-year, For my own part, І do not see how that is 
to be accomplished. І must say I do not hold with 
the remarks made inst General tt, use 
epe 
is all A en to talk about getting 
sure, s you 501 я Mao cae security, it will 
bea difficult — to d x. 
Admi did not state at last meeting 
that I should be > prepared to-day ка E cut-and-dry 
plan to show how our income mig be raised to 
£10,000, Still I believe it ere ач gem that 
amount 
Mr. GUEDALLA : Will you be good — to say, 
7000? 
ha hope of r A 
Admirl Ho tell £g this, that a 
керем I can 
has o ered to lend u 
Mr. GUEDA cie I am sure we are all Hee A im glad to 
nd deal I 
hear e cut: I do not like 1 рем 
like plans and arrangem which every wm can 
"s ors cda 
agreements, 
Mr, GUEDALLA said he should support the agree- 
Mr, Вонм said he was on the Council when the 
£50,000 was raised. He opposed the L of it 
but Dr. Lind e Sir Henry e rried 
d b 
nd others 
the day, and that 450,000 h een the ае of 
their misfortunes. When they had Chiswick 
Mee es they did not owe £10,000. ad offered 
ak 
eep the gardens for £ 
d successful, but the Society had encountered 
every opposition at the hands of the — y's 
and at last they had £50,000 tacked on to t As 
А on the жейт of the Sédiety à as itat 
ee ae if ed 
gave him security, 
eid offered at bii Ns No o 
way in which the fæty-guinea subscribers (of whom 
he wa one) had been treated, Mr. Bohn sai 
Society es got into sucha dms that € ге one 
else than the vassals of the Exhibition Com 
and, for himself, he Should not vote one war x d the 
other, He was sorry that, by a little mutual giving way 
e more had not been done for the interests of the 
ocie 
л 
IRMAN : I assure you we shall take the 
case of the at à guinea араван into наа 
іп laying our scheme before you 
Mr. знамени 
propositions be ae 
Mr. Chairmain there are two 
is that of — 
ws 
port the adjournment of the meeting. I = е 
much underrated the opportunities they have had of 
looking into these agreements, I really think with 
forty-eight hours before us it was quite possible to 
Dd these documents, ind to come ‘sufficiently near 
e whole c In e eme 
this question I think we very often lose sight of 
the peculiar position in which the Co ommissioners 
stand, 
cumstances into a 
better acquainted, by going t Mende very voluminous 
documents, with the relative positions of the tw 
bodies than "most of the F ellows am very much 
inclined to thin adis stc др we may wriggle 
and distort ourselves, and feel unutterable Me at 
r position, we can’t wri; ourselves out of it. * 
We have got into a mess—how can we get out of it? 
Fifteen or sixteen years ago we made a most unfor- 
tunate bargain, which in commercial circles was with- 
out a prece cedent. A sumo 50,000 was placed upon 
ase of twenty-one — which may be forfeited 
at um; moment, and tand the —— 
repudiate any responsibility i in into 
Mr. HAUGHTON 
responsibility of half of it if t 
—— ity, say, to the amount of £20,000, 
PincHEs: Well, we said we should pay the 
rental, but we ie id more than twice d 
if we do not pay it €: year our ммк is forfeited. 
? 
юрю 
bound "^ take the 
ow can we pay i can't pay and 
how can Se ln а rent ? e —- our 
what is | talking of trifles 
- — i overboard if you ud 
oat the Society by yourselves ;" but, looking into the 
i C 
ing mpossible, and that, w! 
you like it be not, you are bound in a ve of pe 
hip. are we to raise the 
certainly vé pleasing to ү ык» that Z uo is od be lent 
us by a gen 
Mr. Bonn: Yes, on interest, 
Mr. PINCHES : And on some security, no doubt. 
Admiral Hornby: I shall explain about it. 
se 
journment, а 
very uneasy about second paper, but it acd 
seems to me p- refer to details which are of no 
moment. Itis a sort of 
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payors 
A RR 
о guineas 
"think, v: the wish, чү 
not in a position to dictate terms to the 
Саши, and I don't think we can do be 
than accept 
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p 4559 
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those we have Me obtained. > Б 
Dr. MASTERS ex is bitter disappoint- 
теп rive to the Fellows by the 
Co It was no doubt a fact t they could not 
wriggle out of engagements with Her Majesty's 
They were all, L too 
well aware of that, It was all very well to have a 
dog tied up and a collar put ар his neck, but in 
this case, taking the Society as the animal, handcuffs 
ains, and e conceivable kind o of restrictive in- 
struments were put upon him, so tha ortun 
dog couldn' il. 
eep out their premises, or, in fact, do 
E single в: if it should please the Commissioners to 
к= м 
GHTON thought there was some 
apprehension as to the tenth clause. It so vader 
ent as entered into some time ago between 
ме h corpora T Commissioners 
с the towers v the orchard-house 
buildings of minor importance, and one also of g 
importance—the беттеу ія between the Ко 
exceedingly — in the Society to interfere with 
the enjoyment o m b 
The clause was si 
the right of en n the 
agreement itself this should be definitely stated, mad 
the indefinite wording of the ‘‘tenth clause” made 
clearer. 3 
Dr. — nel I accept your explanation—I am 
bound to but your ачна, —— the 
necessity "y Pr S Былай the m qu'a à clause 
"E alter е ез уе of the wh hin чч 
GHTON : We shall be a happy to give 
any explanation, but we hae every Fellow who likes 
to do so = pes ss his opinion. 
: Well, T have expressed my objec- 
tion. 
Mr. BATEMAN thought it would be well if some of 
t emen who were disposed to criticise the acts 
of the Council remembered that neither Үт present 
nor the last Council nor the Council before 
in any way responsible for the arran 
had led to al! these difficulties. 
He did not think any me 
imer 2 he V the Society ou 
the late Lord Derby sa 
allery dispute—that ege wo 
than no decision at all—so, чейн 
эр! instruments woul 
of its difficulties. As 
the meeting for two каршы, If they eei at all 
i He decided! ht, 
ч had the “ight ма, in € ae 3 must 
resent Coun 
not criticise too closely the ter: 
indeed he could get over 
did not understand it, and 
Е agree to it they ought to have a schedule at 
o tha t they might know where they sedi a 
to { give his assent to the arrangements come to wi with 
Her Majesty's Commissioners, He did not Бебето 
there was any definite motion — the meeting. 
ther 
The CHAIRMAN : : E tine is a motion for the 
adjournm — of th 
Moora nd to the sixth S 
viz, accept any more 
cert Tes 
mi : i e 
impression that ther lause in the charter 
tion of the life compositions 
the 
was another clause which enjoined the Council to 
reserve — of the earnings of the gardens 
er expenses w id. Now, in common 
justice to "n debenture-holders, if that clause re- 
ined, d ement to that 
pensation 
was paid by the Senece ponen for the tent, сма the 
S used the 
Mr. S. H. Gop N insisted that the accounts 
should be thoroughly “sifted, and he had no hesi — 
in saying, that if t they were, inei wt M) 
they would have 
he 7000, at the 
n С that amount. Plenty of 
ust had been thrown in their eyes from time to time, 
