October 25, 1876. ] 



JOURNAL OF HORTICULTURE AND COTTAGE GARDENER. 



363 



exception of three ! Abel Grand, No. 47, Madame Willermoz, 

 No. 48, and Annie Wood, No. 50, are replaced by Annie Laxton, 

 Cneshunt Hybrid, and Mons. Noman. I allow that a great 

 many of the others are in different positions, but a first or 

 second-class vote more or less makes a vast change in the 

 position of the list, as " Wyld Savage " would soon find if 

 he altered half a dozen. The fact remains that the best fifty 

 are very nearly the same. The list runs thus — 



93 

 84 

 -35 

 36 

 37 

 38 

 39 



{Marechal Niel 

 Alfred Colomb 

 Marie Baumaun 

 Barorme de Rothschild. . . . 



Charles Lefebvre , 



Etienne Levee 



La France 



Louis Van Houtte 



Marquise de Castellane 



Duke of Edinburgh 



Madame Victor Verdier . . 



Comtesse d'Oxford 



John Hopper 



DevonienBis 



Catherine Mermet 



Seoateur Vaisse 



Xavier Olibo 



Francois Michelon 



Horace Vernet 



Mdlle. Eugenie Verdier. . . . 



Mdlle. Marie Bady 



Gloire de Dijon 



f Dr. Andry 



{Marguerite de St. Amand.. 



( Pierre Notting 



( Emilie Hausburg 



Duke of Wellington 



Fisher Holmes 



Souvenir d'un Ami 



(Prince Camille de Rohan.. 

 Souvenir d'Elise 

 Camille Bernardin 



Madame Lacharme 



Ferdinand de Leaseps .... 



Dupuy -Tamain 



Marie Van Houtte ........ 



Victor Verdier 



Capitaine Christy 



Mdlle. Marie Cointet 



J Reynolds Hole 



t Comtesse de Serenyi 



j Madame C. Wood 



i Niphetos 



Annie Laxton 



Edward Morren 



Mdlle. Marie Finger 



Maurice Bernardin 



Cheehunt Hybrid 



Souvenir de la Malmaison 



MoDsieur Noman 



f Abel Grand 



t Duchesse de Caylus 



Annie Wood 



Madame Willermoz 



( Paul Neron 



(Star of Waltham 



A B 



C 



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9 



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9 9 



9 



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9 9 



9 



9 



9 9 



9 



9 



8 19 



8 1 



9 



8 19 



8 1 



9 



7 2 9 



7 2 



9 



7 2 9 



8 1 



9 



6 2 8 



5 8 



8 



4 5 9 



8 5 



8 



5 4 9 



4 5 



9 



3 5 8 



3 5 



a 



3 5 8 



4 4 



8 



5 2 7 



4 3 



7 



4 4 8 



2 6 



8 



3 4 7 



2 5 



7 



2 6 8 



5 1 



H 



7 18 



2 6 



7 



4 8 7 



2 6 



8 



3 3 6 



2 5 



7 



16 7 



3 8 



fi 



5 2 7 



5 8 



8 



14 5 



2 3 



5 



4 4 8 



4 3 



7 



15 6 



3 4 



7 



2 4 6 



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R 



14 5 



2 4 



6 



7 7 



4 4 



8 



2 2 4 



1 5 



6 



3 8 6 



2 5 



7 



2 8 5 



2 5 



7 



2 3 5 



1 5 



fi 



2 4 6 



4 1 



5 



4 2 6 



6 1 



7 



4 4 



2 2 



4 



2 6 7 



1 7 



8 



8 3 



1 3 



4 



6 6 



6 



6 



4 4 



1 4 



5 



2 2 4 



2 1 



3 



15 6 



4 



4 



2 3 5 



1 3 



4 



14 5 



1 4 



5 



4 4 



2 2 



4 



13 4 



4 



4 



2 2 4 



4 



4 



4 4 



8 2 



5 



112 



1 



1 



8 8 6 



1 



1 



2 4 6 



4 



4 



12 3 



1 3 



4 



3 8 



5 



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2 2 



2 



2 



4 4 



3 



3 



3 3 



3 



3 



3 3 



It ia very certain that in this list Francois Michelon, for 

 instance, is much lower, though tried by first-class votes it 

 would revert to its old place; but the Tea BoBes, especially 

 Catherine Mermet and Marie Van Houtte, have risen consider- 

 ably ; bat this is to be expected, for more decidedly exhibiting 

 Rose-growers would sacrifice something to grow these Hoses, 

 willingly taking the extra care that tbey require. Star of 

 Waltham takes a great leap, but with such electors the good 

 new varieties would probably obtain notice. I make this 

 farther remark, that Paul Neron has completely outstripped 

 ihis companion Belle Lyonnaise, which polls only three votes, 

 in spite of " Wyld Savage's" praise, whilst Beauty of W»l- 

 <tham only reaches the same number. 



If able to undertake the election another year I propose to 

 •make it more decidedly an " exhibiting" eleotion, as this may 

 be useful, but the present election never professed to be that. 

 — Joseph Hinton, Warminster. 



Whatever may be my opinion as to the result of the eleotion , 

 there can be but one as to the feeling which all rosarians have 

 towards you (Mr. Hinton), and that is gratitude. Deeply 

 grateful are we all to you for the great trouble you have taken 

 in conducting this election, and only the excitement conse- 

 quent upon reading the results caused even a " Wyld Savage " 

 of the woods to forget to thank yon. 



Although I do not know much about the Wiltshire spring 

 breezes I am intimately acquainted with sou'-westers from the 



English Channel, which are, I should say, much like those 

 from the downs near WarminBter. Certainly I live in a very 

 wyld country indeed, and one the soil of which is a byeword — 

 an apology indeed for soil, so that I do not think there iB much 

 difference in my climate and rny friend Mr. Hinton's, for I 

 know the returning officer very well, and am surprised he does 

 not recognise me. 



Yet, although I grieve to think I have in any way hurt Mr. 

 Hinton's feelings, I must stick to my opinion as to the returns. 



Mr. Hinton speaks of that gem of the purest water Marie 

 Van Houtte as if it were a sweet pretty little Banksian or Rose 

 de Meaux. Here, and at Exeter, it is often as large as at all 

 events Mr. Hinton's pet the " Gloire," and often it may be 

 placed in the back row of an exhibition stand, and if that does 

 not make it a grand Rose what the word grand means is un- 

 known to — A Wyld Savage. 



I have had a very good season under the circumstances, 

 but I have taken Mr. Baker's advice and have grubbed-up 

 450 plants that have done good service, and replaoed them at 

 the price of £2 and £2 5s. per hundred. I see occasionally 

 objections to my statements in respect of Roses, and I am sure 

 that I do not object to them. I know that ciroumstances, 

 such as soil, aspect, and culture are so different that we can- 

 not all agree ; but I muBt protest against an objector to my 

 statements forgetting that I am a gentleman. I trust I have 

 never written a discourteous article, nor expressed myself in 

 respect of other people's articles in a way that, upon maturer 

 reflection, would cause me deep pain. 



I thank Mr. Hinton (though I did not join the election, for 

 the reasons given to him privately) for his most able account 

 of the election. I thought the placing of Comtesse de Cha- 

 brillant, confessedly one of the most beautiful and best-formed 

 Roses, so low as 81, with only eight votes and no first-class 

 votes among the nurserymen, as one of the mysteries of 

 elections. I am sure I only express the mind of the whole 

 Rose world when I say how much we all owe to Mr. Hinton 

 for his able and valuable labours. 



P.S. — Baronne Prevost waB raised by Desprez, and not by 

 Laffay, as stated by me. — W. F. Radclyffe. 



Even a worm will turn, even " ohaff " will fly up occasion- 

 ally, and I must say a word on " Wyld Savage's " letter. 

 Poor, dear, old Die- John, to think of anyone calling him an 

 impostor, the " greatest impostor out ; " and this to be all the 

 thanks which that public benefactor, Mr. Hinton, gets for his 

 most laborious and admirably executed election work. If this 

 letter leads to more of "the giants" sending lists on another 

 occasion, so far good will have come of it. It is greatly to be 

 desired that we should have the opinion of more of those who 

 are best qualified to form one. I venture to think also that 

 the list would be made more interesting if the Roses were 

 classed in the estimated order of merit, and not some of them 

 alphabetically. But I took up my pen through amazement at 

 the disrespect such an authority as " Wyld Savage " (if I in- 

 terpret the "Wyld" rightly) should have Bhown to the 

 estimable parent of Madame Berard and Belle Lyonnaise. 

 Certainly Gloire de Dijon is seldom seen in the "box," be- 

 cause seldom carefully cultivated ; but, as somebody said in 

 our Journal, if restricted to one Rose I would say, Give me 

 good old " Glory." He is good all round, and all the year 

 round. The following faot respecting him speaks for itself. 

 At the Reigate Sbow in 1874 (and Reigate oan grow Roses) the 

 silver challenge cup for the best twelve Roses waB taken by a 

 box of Gloire de Dijon, while also one of the Roses in the very 

 same box was pronounced " the best Rose in the Show," Messrs. 

 G. Paul, Mitchell, and Francis being judges. — A. C.,Brockham. 



Let me add a few words to Mr. Hinton's reply to " Wyld 

 Savage " with regard to the Rose election. Mr. Hinton is 

 quite right in saying that it was never intended only to elicit 

 the opinions of professional Rose-growers or of amateur exhi- 

 bitors as to the best exhibition Roses. My idea with regard 

 to the election was that each person should say what Roses, as 

 a general rule, did best with him in his own garden under hiB 

 own supervision, and which flowered freely, holding always as 

 a standard that the blooms should be of good shape and size — 

 not rough, flat, or small. If I lived in the sunny south and 

 had a warm border with plenty of rich soil and farmyard 

 manure, and means of protection in the winter, no doubt I 

 should put Marie Van Houtte and Souvenir d'Elise, and per- 

 hapa La Bonle d'Or, into the first twenty; or had I been 



