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JOURNAL OF HORTICULTURE AND COTTAGE GARDENER. 



[ November 15, 1864. 



bunches. Berries large and handsome ; slightly acid. Not 

 so good as Raisin de Calabre. 



28. Black Prince, B. Ripe October 6th. Broduced three 

 large bunches. Berries large First-rate. 



29. Chasselas de Pontainbleau Rouge HUif, B. Ripe 

 October 6th. Broduced seven small bunches. Berries small. 



30. Muscat Noir de Jura, B. RipeOctober 6th. Broduced 

 sis medium-sized bunches. Berries large. A good hardy 

 sort. Foliage beautiful in autumn. 



31. Ingram's Prolific Muscat, B. Ripe October 6th. Bro- 

 duced seven small bunches. Berries small ; flavour good. 



32. Raisin de Calabre. W. Ripe October 6th. Produced 

 three large bunches. Berries large and handsome. Flesh 

 firm ; flavour good. Hangs well. 



33. Chavoush, W. Ripe October 6th. Produced three-large 

 bunches. Berries large. A fine-looking Grape. 



34. Cambridge Botanic Garden, B. Ripe October 6th. 

 Produced three large bunches. Berries large. 



35. White Eornain, W. Ripe October 10th. ', Produced ten 

 medium-sized bunches. Berries of medium size. A good 

 pot Vine. 



36. Lady Downes' Seedling, B. Ripe October 10th. Bro- 

 duced seven medium-sized bunches. Berries large. A good 

 pot Vine. 



37. Black Monukka, B. Ripe October loth. Broduced four 

 large bunches. Berries large, conical, and stoneless; flavour 

 fine. 



_ 38. West's St. Peter's, B. Ripe October 18th. Produced 

 sis small bunches. Berries large. Quite first-rate. 



39. Morocco Prince, B. Ripe October 20th. Produced 

 eleven medium-sized bunches. Berries large. Quite first-rate. 



40. Burchardt's Prince, B. Ripe October 20th. Broduced 

 eight large bunches. Berries large. Not sufficiently known 

 and valued. Quite first-rate. 



41. Kempsey Alicante, B. Ripe October 20th. Broduced 

 seven large bunches. Berries large. A good pot Vine. 



Three varieties — Trebbiano, Mill Hill Hamburgh, and 

 Due de Malakoff, bore no fruit. 



The large bunches averaged 1 lb. in weight ; those of 

 medium size three-quarters of a pound; the small half a 

 pound. 



Now, for the application of these facts. With an ordinary 

 greenhouse or vinery a good supply of Grapes, White and 

 Black, and of various flavour, may be secured for at least 

 three months in the year at a very moderate cost of money 

 and trouble. The entire weight of fruit gathered off the 

 forty-one one-year-old Vines may be fairly set down at rather 

 more than 2 cwt. Had they been placed where the roots 

 could have been passed through the holes at the bottom of 

 the pots, I doubt not that a heavier crop would have been 

 secured ; but I could not conveniently accomplish this, nor 

 did I deem it necessary for my purpose. 



Reasoning from this and previous experiments, for seven 

 of the best pot Vines I should choose forweight — Esperione, 

 Bope's Hamburgh, Chasselas deFalloux, Chasselas Bulherry, 

 Almeria, General Delia Marmora, and Chaptal ; for an ad- 

 ditional seven — Black Hamburgh, Morocco Brince, Burc- 

 hardt's Prince, Foster's White Seedling, Purple Constantia, 

 Kempsey Alicante, and White Romain. Chasselas Vibert 

 should be added for its earliness. — William Paul Waltham 

 Cross. N. 



EOSES PAST, PEESENT, AND FTJTTJEE. 



Howevek desirable the plan proposed by Mr. Curtis (and 

 anything on the Rose, from one bearing that name ought 

 to be listened to), I fear it is impracticable. There is not 

 the same spirit in France as to exhibiting that there is here ; 

 for although the Central Society of Horticulture has held 

 meetings somewhat similar to the Floral Committee of the 

 Horticultural Society here, yet very few of the growers, even 

 around Paris, thought it worth while to send their seedlings. 

 Something of the kind was suggested to me some years ago, 

 but I could not do it. 



I had hoped to have continued my dissection of the Rose 

 lists this week, but have been prevented ; and I find that 

 there is a mistake in the printing of the first paper. In 

 speaking of M. Eugene Verdier's Roses I am made to say I 

 have selected " these ;" it should be " three " — the two 

 Hybrid Perpetuals mentioned, and Marechal Niel, Tea, which 



I shall speak of by-and-by. As far as my judgment and 

 knowledge of the Paris Roses are concerned, Duchesse de 

 Medina Cosli, Duchesse de Caylus, and Rushton Radclyffe, 

 will be the leading varieties. In a letter received from. 

 M. Charles Verdier the other day he speaks highly of Due de 

 Wellington (Granger) as being a very fine Rose. 



What a splendid season it is ! I have cut blooms this 

 month which were first-rate ; and have now two beautiful 

 flowers of Devoniensis and Madame Joseph Halphin, taken 

 from standards, in the vases on my chimneypiece — quite 

 refreshing on Lord Mayor's-day. Although the term Hybrid 

 Perpetual is abused, yet to be able to cut blooms of Senateur 

 Vaisse, General Jacqueminot, &c, as I have done from my 

 small collection, in the month of November, entitles them 

 to our gratitude. — D., Deal. 



LARGE CEOPS OF PEACHES. 



Mb. Daly (page 348), expresses a wish that some re- 

 marks may be made on his communication about his crops 

 of Peaches. If the Englishman referred to means the under- 

 signed I make no apology for taking precedence, as I am, 

 entitled to correct an error. The Peaches gathered from 

 my three trees this year were 560, and not 510. Of the 

 quality of these Peaches the best proof is their winning the 

 first prize at Blandford, Baron Hambro being second, and 

 that they were good enough to send to Mr. Eyles for the 

 dSjeuner at the Kensington Exhibition in September. I say 

 quality with emphasis, because it is simply ridiculous to 

 talk of quantity without quality. The quantitas vocis is a 

 good thing, but the qualitas rei is a better thing. The 

 quaZitas of a Peach depends (supposing the sort to be good), 

 rather on the size of the Peach than on the number of Peaches 

 on the tree. The heaviest crop that I ever grew on my 

 three trees, which were, and are still, about 52 or 53 feet 

 wide by 9 feet high, was 1024. What was the effect of this 

 unwise crop ? The next year I had onlyl97 Peaches. From 

 this I learnt that to overdo is to undo. 



I do not speak in defiance of Providence, still less will I 

 lay a charge against Providence if I fail ; but I firmly be- 

 lieve that I shall be able to gather next year 500 Peaches 

 from the above trees. This will make 4-500 Peaches in nine 

 years off two trees now in their forty-sixth year, and off one 

 tree now in its twenty-ninth year, the men being alive in 

 this parish who remember their being planted. After the 

 crop of 197 Peaches I believe that the next crop was 775. 

 Lord Portman's present gardener, Mr. Leach, came that 

 year to inspect the trees. I had taken off a vast quantity, 

 and had left on the unwise number of 1200. Mr. Leach 

 said, " I advise you to take off one-half at least." Well, I 

 am never prejudiced or obstinate. I therefore, though they 

 were thoroughly separated before, thinned them down to a 

 number that allowed me to gather 775 good Peaches, not 

 tasteless witherlings. I fancy that the next year the crop 

 gathered was about 468. I say fancy, because I have not 

 my references here. This leads me to diverge. 



This summer my old and valued friend Mr. Shipp, book- 

 seller, of Blandford, came here to see the Roses and eat 

 Strawberries. I hardly need say that the two hallucinated 

 him. Being here, he said, "I wish you would let me have 

 your articles already published. I will cut them out and 

 paste them into an album free of cost, with thanks for the 

 amusement and edification that I have received from them." 

 Hence, as he has my periodicals, I must be forgiven for an 

 erratum. 



To return. .1 think that in an article on Beaches in my 

 " Florist," now in Blandford for the above purpose, Mr. 

 Powell, of the Royal Gardens at Frogmore, has said that 

 three Peaches per square foot are sufficient. I am not expert 

 enough to say much on this matter; but I firmly believe 

 that what we gain in numbers by overcropping we lose in 

 weight, size, and quality this year, and next year in quan- 

 tity and quality. I believe yet further, that where we leave 

 on six Peaches the Jerseymen and Frenchmen leave on three. 



Mr. Daly's crops in 1863 and 1864 are certainly very 

 great ; but, will he not say in due time, " There is nothing 

 like moderation and a good annual supply ?" What sort of 

 land has he ? It must be a land of " nuggets " to stand 

 for any length of time such heavy cropping. I for one shall 



