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say something myself. One of the principal drawbacks with 

 the labouring classes is that, with country people coming in, 

 there is great difficulty in teaching them how to manage town 

 affairs. With reference to an exhibition of sanitary appliances, 

 there is a small display of sanitary appliances in Belfast in the 

 rooms of the Ulster Sanitary Association, and an exhibition on 

 a very much larger scale would very probably, I fancy, answer 

 well. I don't see what damage it could do to the trade. The 

 only damage that could be done would be to an inferior class of 

 tradesmen, whom it might compel to keep better things in 

 stock than some of them are in the habit of doing now. I have 

 pleasure in calling upon Mr. Gray to reply. 



Mr. Gray — I confess I am rather pleased with the result of 

 the discussion, which was very much more valuable than the 

 communication I had the opportunity of bringing before you. 

 The speakers referred to so many points that I must take some 

 little time to reply. I agree with Dr. Lindsay that the flush 

 should be a least four gallons. The usual flush gives only two, 

 and is delivered with such a dribble it is useless as a flush. 

 As to Mr. Scott, I cannot compete with him this evening, I am 

 in bad form. The main point he made was the difficulty of 

 educating dirty filthy people. I think I addressed myself to 

 that, and recommended that in our national education schools, 

 our young people should be brought up with cleanly habits. 

 If this is not done, it is impossible to bring up our working class 

 people or servants with any idea as to sanitary matters. If 

 they cannot have proper arrangements in their houses, I think 

 sanitary arrangements in the mansions are of little or no use. 

 Mr. Lockwood referred to an elaborate arrangement of extracting 

 flues. I would rather avoid complications, and endeavour to 

 simplify matters. As to the extraction, I agree with Mr. 

 Thompson, who suggested that the material we are in the 

 habit of removing from the houses is in itself fuel, capable of 

 maintaining a furnace for a considerable time. I was asked if 

 I did away with soil pipe ventilation what would I do with 

 syphonage. This occurs only when the soil pipe is filled with \ 



