dehtdbAtion of pbuits and vegetables. 45 



Senator NoEEis. Is it for sale? I mean would you put up a plant 

 for anybody who wanted you to put one up, and allow them to use the, 

 process if you erect the plant for them? 



Mr. HoGLE. We came down here to tender the use of this to the 

 Government first. I have kept the matter entirely in my own hands 

 until the (jrovernment could say whether they cared to avail them- 

 A ^1.°* ^^ °^^^ °^ "^o*- "^J^at was done on the advice of Mr. Harry 

 A. Wheeler, food administrator of Illinois. 



Senator Nobkis. You have not decided yourselves then what you 

 are going to do, or how you are going to operate it? 



Mr. HoGLE. We have formulated plans to operate it commercially, 

 and ]ust as soon as the Government says whether they want to do 

 anything with it. If they say they do, my services are at their com- 

 mand. If they do not, I have ample means at my command to 

 proceed commercially. 



Senator Noeeis'. And then you will establish plants at various 

 places ? 



Mr. HoGLE. Yes, sir. 



Senator Noebis. Can you describe the process to us ? 

 Mr. HoGLE. I would prefer that you get a copy of the patent and 

 read it, and then you can get it clearly yourself. 



Senator Noebis. You could tell us in general, ordinary language, 

 in a few words, so we would understand it better than if we read 

 the patent. 



Mr. HoGLE. There is one objection to that. While it is patented 

 process and the copy of the patent is available, if the notes of the 

 stenographer here are for publication or for public circulation, don't 

 you think it would be rather unwise to disclose a method of this 

 kind for general information ? 



Senator Noeeis. I am not asking you to disclose any information 

 that is secret, or anything of that kind. 

 Mr. HoGLE. There is nothing secret about it. 



Senator Noeeis. If it is patented you would not run any risk in 

 telling all about it. 



Mr. HoGLE. There is no risk in telling about it, and it is all in the 

 patent, I mean to say, not if these remarks can be circulated. 

 Senator Noeeis. They can be, of course; they will be published. 

 Mr. HoGLE. I refer to the unwisdom of circulating particular in- 

 formation about something that is for our benefit. 



Senator Noeeis. I should think you would be glad to have it cir- 

 culated and advertised. 



Mr. HoGLE. I know, but should we make this process available to 

 our enemies as freely as to ourselves? 

 Senator Noeeis. Not if it is patented. 



Mr. HoGLE. What is to prevent the process, for instance, from get- 

 ting to Germany? This is far in advance of anything that they are 

 doing. If you wish me to tell what it is, I am perfectly willing to 

 do so. 



Senator Noeeis. No ; I would not want it to get to Germany. 



Mr. HoGLE. That is the risk; that is the only reason I hesitate; 



and if you would care to call at the Lafayette Hotel you can see the 



full display of these products. Now, these restored samples here 



scarcely represent the products when freshly restored, because they 



