12 GRAZING FEES — GUARANTY PRICE ON WHEAT. 



is what brings on the discussions. There ought to be a fair and rea- 

 sonable charge to the stockman who uses the forest reserve, for the 

 reason that it is maintained by Government taxes and for the reason 

 that it is not fair for the Government to go into competition with 

 the other stock raisers and take their money to maintain the reserves 

 and charge the fellow who uses the reserve a less rate than it is 

 realty worth. 



Mr. ToMLiNSON. Consider for a moment, Congressman, that there 

 are to-day approximately 175,000 000 to 200,000,000 acres of our 

 range the stockmen can graze on without paying anything. 



Mr. Tin CHER. Yes ; we talked about that. We had that in the bill. 



Mr. RuBEY. One word. We were not going to go after you gen- 

 tlemen who pasture on the forest reserves alone; we felt that the 

 Government also ought to charge for grazing on the public lands 

 as well as on the forest reserves ; but, of course, as the committee had 

 no jurisdiction, we could not do anything along that line. 



Mr. ToMLiNsoN. Take Congressman Tincher's question. The for- 

 est reserves down in Arizona and New Mexico do not produce what 

 you might call fat cattle ; they turn them off in the shape of yearlings 

 or tWo-year-old feeders, which are bought by the Kansas stockmen 

 and put on Kansas grass for fattening. 



Mr. TiNCHEE. And some are bought by people in Iowa? 



Mr. ToMLiNsoN. A great many are bought by the Iowa people. 

 The bulk of the cattle comes off the reserves in the shape of feeders — 

 many come off fat, I grant you. We do not want to pay an unrea- 

 sonably low fee. Our position is that the present charge is amply 

 high under all the conditions on these reserves. However, to-day the 

 situation is abnormal, and it would be unfair for the Forest Service 

 to adjust their grazing fees on the present inflated and abnormal con- 

 ditions. 



I thank you, gentlemen. 



The Chairman. We are grateful to you, Mr. Tomlinson. 



(Thereupon the committee proceeded to the consideration of ex- 

 ecutive business.) 



House of Representatives, 

 Committee on Ageicultuee, 



Thursday, April 1, 1920. 

 1- The committee met at 2.30 o'clock p. m., Hon. James C. McLaugh- 

 lin or Michigan, presiding. 



Mr McLaughlin of Michigan. The committee will please come 

 to order. ^ 



Mr. MoKiNLET. Mr. Chairman, the gentlemen here are grain 

 tttmi."^'^"^^*' '''''^ ^^^^^' -''' -^1- ^ ^t^t— t before 

 Clmen^''^^™''"'' *"* Michigan. We shall be glad to hear you, Mr. 



STATEMENT OF MR. B. E. CLEMENT, WACO, TEX. 



wa^'of^SdTcti^n I^wni >T "^"^ f ^*^^^^^ «^ t^« committee, by 

 tMs ?oiit commXp 1^ ^% ^' chairman of the committee, that 

 tins ]omt committee, representing six States and authorized and 



