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Committee did not endorse any of the schemes, but simply gave them publicity in the hope of provokmg 

 discussion. 



Mr. Shurtleff's remarks were essentially as given on page 1 1 1, in which the notes refer to lantern-shdes 

 reproduced elsewhere. 



Mr. H. J. Clark was then introduced, and spoke of his scheme for new docks in Boston. He said there 

 was a certain prospect of having such things to design. 



'Two years ago Hill said that the United States had reached its capacity for exporting. The 

 railroads have felt this, and we hear of congestion in freight yards, and schemes for larger docks in New 

 York have been proposed, as in Jamaica Bay, where it is said every trunk-line railroad has promised to 

 build tunnels and connections. 



"The railroads feel the necessity of better water transportation. 



"The railroads should come to the steamer to deliver goods instead of lightering or carting. But it 

 is difficult to bring the railroads to the steamers. 



"Hamburg is three hundred miles farther from the sea than Antwerp, its rival, where there are four 

 miles of piers with parallel warehouse. There is a track next to the water, then the warehouse, then four 

 more tracks. There is great trouble in getting across the tracks. 



"At Hamburg perpendicular, or finger-piers, one kilo long, were built with tracks and warehouses on 

 the piers. This made it easier to get the goods on the steamers, and Hamburg is now the first port in the 

 world. 



"Antwerp is now trying the same plan with nine piers 1,200 meters long. 



"Where shall we put such piers in Boston? At South Boston, where they will be easily reached from 

 the President Roads and where they can be a mile long, which is necessary for our freight trains. The 

 modern steamer is 1,000 feet long. The Commercial pier, the longest on the coast, is 1,200 feet. 



"Loading is best done at Liverpool where the steamer unloads into a shed, moves ahead and fills 

 with waiting cargo. It takes four days there, and ten days in Boston." 



Mr. Clark then discussed various types of cranes for loading. 



December 29, 1908. Meeting and dinner at the Transportation Club, New York Qty. 



Present: Miss Jones, Messrs. Caparn, Greenleaf, Lowrie, Parsons, and Vitale, Fellows; Messrs. Gay, 

 Lay, Morell and Nichols, Juniors. 



The Committee on Seal reported progress, and Miss Jones was empowered (on motion of Mr. Vitale) 

 "to consult with some specialist in design in regard to the character of the seal, and the cost of the design," 

 and was allowed $ 100.00 for this purposed 



Mr. Nichols showed some photographs of the G. B. Post, Jr., house in Bernardsville, illustrating 

 his contention that a formal setting, or base, is necessary for a large house set on a hill-top, just as a statue 

 must have a pedestal. 



Mr. Caparn thought there were cases where an informal or naturalesque setting would be not only 

 preferable, but the only one possible. 



Following this it was admitted that in some cases the landscape and setting must dominate, as in the 

 picturesque castles of the Rhine, and that in other cases the landscape must be subordinate to the formality 

 and architectural qualities of the house. 



