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V. Log Rules. 



The use of the Spaulding rule is so nearly universal here that there is very 

 little demand for a standard rule for the entire country. 



It is very much of a question whether such a rule could be formulated to 

 meet the requirements of the various sections of the country. Even were such 

 a standard rule practicable it is not believed that the same rule would apply to 

 all species of timber. A rule which would give accurate measure of the contents 

 of the more cylindrical fir or hemlock log would not give satisfactory results for 

 cedar or cypress, with their increased taper and large butts. 



DISCUSSIONS UPON THE REPOETS OF THE SUB-COMMITTEE ON lUMBEKINa 



The Chairman: The subject is now before you for discussion. Many 

 questions about this very comprehensive report have been brought up. 



Mr. W. R. Brown, of New Hampshire: Time is so short 1 do not think I 

 will say much on the subject, except I think Mr. Bryant has done a very excellent 

 work indeed in getting together data which will be of value to everyone in the 

 country. It is data of this kind that will enable us to overcome a difficulty which 

 lumbermen are almost always up against, and that is, very cheap cost of produc- 

 tion in logging. I speak particularly, perhaps, on account of Canadian logging. 

 The Canadian logger comes in with two or three men and two or three horses, 

 with absolutely no scientific methods outside of his personal work, and to over- 

 come that we should study and work out scientific methods which will enable us 

 to compete with that. 



I would like to ask Air. Bryant if, in the many inquiries sent out to the 

 lumbermen, he had any interest shown in those replies in the work of utilization 

 and to what extent they were interested? ' . 



Prof. R. C. Bryant, of Connecticut: Mr. Chairman, utilization, of course, 

 was somewhat outside of the line of investigation of the committee on lumbering, 

 since that was handled by another committee. We do not get as much coopera- 

 tion from lumbermen as we had hoped, for various reasons, the most important 

 of which is, you caanot secure information through forest workers. To secure 

 any data on lumbering methods and things of that sort, it is absolutely necessary 

 that you see personally the men who are interested in these things, because it is 

 something that you cannot get from men who, in the first place, have not the time, 

 probably, to write opinions of those things, and in the second place, they do not 

 always feel that they want to express an opinion. They are perfectly willing to 

 talk with you and help you in every way they can, but the business demands the 

 greater part of their attention, and work of that sort is out of their line. 



Mr. Charles A. Scott, of Kansas: Mr. Chairman, the suggestion made by 

 the last speaker is interesting along the line of cheapening logging opperations. 

 Of course, one of the greatest variables in operation is logging; sometimes it is up 

 to ridiculous prices, and then again we get it cheaply, due to many reasons. I 

 would like to suggest one or two we have adopted in the last two years for the 

 construction of our logging roads. We are letting that almost entirely by station 

 work. We let it out for the dray road, for instance, so many stations, so many 

 hundred feet — a station is a hundred feet. We let that out to some broad- 

 shouldered Scandinavian or Norwegian, or whatever he may be called, and they 

 do good work and make excellent roads, and where these fellows make three or 

 four dollars a day, they do it for about half the price we could do it if we put 

 our straw pushers on to do the work. We are doing that, and you can save a lot 

 of money by letting your work out in that way. 



