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A. In the heart of it; some on Long lake; the lands to be given in 

 exchange were away in the heart of the Adirondacks. 



Q. They must have described some part ? 



A. That description is on record and I can't tell you from memory; 

 I didn't burden my memory with it. 



Q. In what part of the Adirondacks were the lands ? 



A. In the heart of the wilderness. 



Q. What do you mean by the " heart of the wilderness ? " 



A. Centrally located. 



Q. Near what lakes or streams ? 



A. My recollection of it is that some were near Backet lake or 

 Long lake; there were a great many lots and I couldn't remember 

 them all; they are on record in the office. 



Q. That is the best answer you can give ? 



A. Yes, sir. 



Q. You were to exchange 30,000 acres for ten or twelve thousand ? 



A. I didn't bother my memory with it; it is a matter of record. 



Q. You gave that over to Garmon to look after ? 



A. We gave him a list of the lands wanted. 



Q. Did you know anything of the lands themselves; did you know 

 at the time of the proposition about the lands they proposed to 

 exchange. 



A. No, sir. 



Q Did you personally take any pains to find out ? 



A. We sent out the warden. 

 ,. Q. Did you make any personal efforts to find out and see about it ; 

 I speak of the members of the commission personally ; did you take 

 pains to find out about the 30,000 acres of land ; did you go personally 

 or did you take pains to inform yourself ? 



A We sent our accredited agent to look over those lands the same 

 as I would individually; I made no personal inspection of it. 



Q. Did you make any inquiry of anybody? 



A. I made inquiry from our accredited agent. 



Q. Who do you mean by that ? 



A. Our warden, Mr. Garmon. 



Q. He is the only one you talked with at all about it ? 



A. That is more than I can tell you. 



Q. That is all you remember now? 

 ' A. Yes, sir; that is all. 



Q. You sent Garmon to find out about the 30,000 acres? 

 A. Yes. 



Q. Weren't these 30,000 acres right around Piseco lake ? 



