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Q. The oral instructions given by your Jbody, were they carried into 

 the minutes of that meeting ? 



A. No, sir; not necessarily. 



Q. The question is, were they ? 



A. I don't believe they were. 



Q. How much of the instructions to your warden have been given 

 in that way ? 



A. Quite a good many of them. 



Q. To a large extent ? 



A. Quite a good many; I couldn't tell you to what extent. 



Q. All instructions not appearing in yourniinutesior on file in your 

 office, were given, that way? 



A. Yes, sir. 



Q. No record or anything about it ? 



A. No, sir. • 



Q. Tou stated that you were in the woods several times; your 

 expenses are paid and that is all the pay you get? 



A. Yes, sir. i 



. Q. Whenever you incur expense you make a bill and put it in and 

 •get your pay? 



A. Yes, sir. 



Q. Have you ever been in the woods on official business when you 

 didn't charge and render a bill for. it ? 



A. That I couldn't tell you; wherever I have been on official busi- 

 ness I have put in a bill and got my pay. 



Q Have you ever put in more than two bills for going into the 

 woods since you have been commissioner ? ' 



A. I couldn't tell you; there were quite a number of times — 



Q. (Interrupting.) Wait a moment ? 



The Witness. — Let me explain. # 



Mr. Fiebo. — Oh, no, don't let him explain. 



Q. Will you swear you have ever put in more than two bills ? 



A. I couldn't tell you; if you will allow me to, I think I can explain 

 to the committee so they wiy. be satisfied. 



Q. Have you put in more than two bills? 



A. I couldn't say. 



Mr. Anibai^ — I suggest that when the witness says that he can not 

 tell without explaining, the committee should give him an opportunity 

 to explain; under the resolution you are simply calling for information. 



Q. What have you to say in. explanation of putting in bills and 

 taking the vouchers two or more times; I will accept the suggestion 

 of counsel; I understand you to say that when you went into the 

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