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one proposition in the law that there is no provision made in here by 

 Mr. Hurd, though I say that would be technical,, there is no proposi- 

 tion in here that he will pay the appraisal difference as provided for 

 by the'Hadley bill. Now, again, there isn't a single thing upon this 

 map, and I will ask the committee to examine it, that this forest com- 

 mission or any other person in the world can tell what land this man 

 Hurd wants. I have tried to study it and I am quiet familiar with 

 the northern woods and all the townships and lots there, and I can't 

 tell because I find inclosed all over this map lots in plots representing, 

 as I suppose, pieces of land such as are inclosed absolutely in red. 

 He says this is the land he wants to give and those pieces inclosed 

 in red is the land he wants to get, and where it is and what it is the 

 forest commission couldn't tell, as an intelligent man he couldn't 

 possibly make a selection from it and act on such an application as 

 that. With reference to the Hurd application this was before your 

 coming from the Comptroller's office as I understand. 



Mr. Adams. — I would like to inquire of my Iriend whether he is 

 examining witness or summing up the case ? 



Mr. Anibal. — I wish, in this way, to be as brief as I can, and I 

 thought a suggestion made at the time would aid very much in 

 brevity, and I would take that course. 



Q. You have, upon careful examination, seen the papers when in 

 your former testimony you didn't recollect whether you had seen it 

 or not, you now remember making ? 



A. I want to make this explanation with regard to that ; this 

 exchange had entirely slipped my mind, because it was not a matter 

 of record in our office ; the application for exchange was made before 

 th& Comptroller at the Comptroller's office, and by him sent to us, and 

 we took action upon it ; and it was returned some four or five years 

 ago, and it had entirely slipped my mind ; I remember now the 

 reasons for our adverse action in this matter. 

 Q. You may state them. 



A. The reasons are that the proposition here, as we looked at it, 

 didn't take that checker board of the fourteen townships ; it simply 

 took the lots that Mr. Hurd had left ; he had lumber upon certain 

 lots, and had been forced to pay a penalty, and upon the balance of 

 them he wanted them and wanted to exchange with us acre for acre, 

 of which we had virgin forest and his denuded lands ; the main object 

 for refusing the exchange was, that upon an examination at the county 

 clerk's office we found that Mr. Hurd's property had been covered 

 with large mortgages and judgments, and it didn't seem to us as 

 though his title could be perfect, and all these things taken into con- 

 sideration, we rejected or acted adversely upon the application; I had 



