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and sent it to the governor and the governor concluded it was too 

 much money for a town hall for that many inhabitants. 



Q. Do you know whether Powers and Butler are on friendly terms ? 



A. They are not on very friendly terms from what I know of them. 



Q. How far did you investigate this Dolgeville matter which you 

 said there" was n&thing of ? 



A. I had Mr. Miller, a very reliable man, go over the lots upon that 

 border six weeks ago; he spent two weeks looking over these lots to 

 see how much cutting had been done. 



Q. They were lots from the Jersey field patent; just a few scatter- 

 ing lots owned by the State; Loren Kellogg is a very reliable man, 

 and he was very anxious for us to get hold of some of the, thieves who 

 were stealing off of the State land and from his land, and they were 

 getting the private lands all to themselves and they were moving 

 jointly against them to try to break it up, and they wanted the forest 

 commission to make a general attack upon the sneak thieves; why 

 they go in the night and steal the timber; those men have no hired 

 help; a man will go with his boy" or his neighbor and cut two or three 

 trees and take them away in ihe middle of the night; there is no way 

 of getting hold of them except you " lay fo,r them." 



Q. Is it a fact that there are trespasses on private lands up there? 



A. Yes, sir; they are alive with them; I saw Mr. Bailor the other 

 day, and he said he had got to bring a number of suits for Proctor 

 and Hill. 



Q. What is the pay of the foresters, and do they receive any com- 

 pensation for expenses? 



A. Forty dollars a month without expenses, except if a man is sent 

 away out of his district at a large expense he is allowed some part of 

 his expenses. 



Q. In his own district is he expected to pay his own expenses ? 



A. Yes, sir. 



Q. Did you attend the* meetings of the commissioners when they 

 met usually ? 



A. Yes; a great many times I did; there were other times I was not 

 present, « 



Q. In regard to the removal of soft wood from the forests what do 

 you say as to the custom in lumbering, and what is meant by " lum- 

 bering?" ' 



A. As^fche term is usually used that means floating logs down a 

 stream 'to a mill. 



Q. What kind of timber? 



