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there had been any kind of a trespass thereon; we wanted to survey 

 out that part of the land owned by the State. 



Q. What is your method of arriving at the character and extent of 

 the trespass? 



A. It depends somewhat upon what time, how long before that 

 the tresspass had been committed ; the logs are first cut 

 down and then drawn to the skidway and from the skidways 

 to the river and then floated out; if we find the logs on the 

 skidways on the lots then we count the logs which are 

 on the skidways, the number of markets which those pieces 

 are likely to make; if we do not find the logs there, we usually 

 have the surveyor follow the lot lines and we keep with the 

 men who are making the estimate; I have in mind one particular 

 lot where the surveyor — after leaving the road we weht five 

 miles, following the compass across the hills and over the moun- 

 tains, to reach this lot, knowing where it was located on the map and 

 we found the corners; this surveyor ran along the line, following the 

 line and we keeping to the left of him followed down along the log 

 roads; when there were two of us we would follow up one snake road, 

 as the lumbermen term them — 



Q. What is a " snake " road ? 



A. The snake roads are the short roads through which the logs are 

 dragged by the horses or the oxen to the' skidways;, we can. see the 

 number of skidways but we can't tell the number of logs provided 

 the logs were drawn; of course, all of those snake roads lead to the 

 main log road ; following down the main log road one would take one 

 skidway and count the trees which comes to that snake road from 

 each side; usually the snake road would follow up through the valleys 

 so the trees would naturally come down hill to them, and the next 

 one would take the next snake road; we spent one entire day in 

 counting, three of us, myself and the forester, with the assistance of 

 the surveyor, we two doing the counting; in counting the logs and 

 trees which had been cut on this one lot and then we would observe 

 the size of the trees, and an experienced lumberman can tell about 

 how many pieces would come from a tree of a certain size, and in 

 that way we could get at a very careful estimate of the amount 

 of the trespasses; I never made any reports of trespass but those 

 I had investigated in that way, and then where it was possible I 

 would afterwards get the figures from 'the men who had bought the 

 logs and in many cases they would furnish those and after making 

 our own judgment, we would try to verify them, if possible, by the 

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