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Q. I would like to have him state it; what next was said after this; 

 first he said it could be arranged and you said you were always 

 ready to make an arrangement; what was next said that you can 

 remember now ? 



A. The next on that trip was the fifteenth township ; that was 

 talked over very fully, and outlines of the scheme, how it was to be 

 carried out. 



Q. In this conversation both 1 the twenty-fourth and fifteenth town- 

 ships were talked over; both townships? 



A. Yes, sir. 



Q. You can't give the words that were used by Garmon ? 



A. No, sir. 



Q. pan you give the words yon used ? 



A. No, sir. 



Q. Then anything of this conversation that you have spoken here, 

 you are unable to givq any of the words given by Mr. Garmon ? 



A. I can't give you the identical language, I can give it to you in 

 substance. 



Q. You can give as you recollect the substance? 



A. I can give you the body of it, the substance. 



Q. As you understood it ? 



A. As it was. 



Q. You will have to give it as you understood it; passing from this 

 conversation which you have spoken about up there and which you 

 said you sould only give the substance of it, the conversation next at 

 the house, who broached the subject there ? 



A. I suppose that is what he- came there for, he came from letters ' 

 he wrote me, that he would be over in a few days. 



Q. Have you got those letters here ? 



A. No, I haven't got them here, I have got them and the messages. 



Q. All of the messages ? 



A. I won't say all of them. 



Q. Will you produce them ? 



A. Yes, sir. 



Q. You have none of them here ? 



A. No, sir. 



Q. How soon can you send them to us here or send them to the 

 secretary of this committee ? 



A. I will have to look through my file, in the course of two days. 



Q. Can you send them here so they can get here by Tuesday noon? 



A. No, sir. 



Q. You didn't bring them with you at all ? 



