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Judge MosoROVE. — Can you. grow grapes in the JSTiagara district which we 

 cannot grow here ? 



Mr. Smith. — "We can, and without protection. I have no doubL you can grow a 

 great many varieties of grapes here by laying them down in the winter, but where 

 we grow grapes by the fifty acre lots, as they do in the Niagara district, that would 

 be an almost endless job. 



Mr. Beall. — We have a great many varieties growing in the Lindsay district, 

 but of course they succeed a great deal better when they are covered up in winter. 



Mr. Allan. — #*think there is a great necessity for something being done on the 

 lines suggested by the resolution. Fruit growers generally know what it is to 

 experiment themselves. We know how costly it is ; we know how long it takes to 

 gain the knowledge required, and in gaining that knowledge we lose a good deal of 

 time and money. By the establishment of an experimental station of this descrip- 

 tion somewhere in southern Ontario it would cover the requirements of a very large 

 portion of the country. A test made there would not only be a test for southern 

 Ontario, but for other portions ot Ontario as well. It would be a test for western 

 Ontario, and even for grape vines for this district, probably as good a test as could 

 be made at the Ottawa farm. It would also apply for southern British Columbia, 

 and, in fact, would be a good and reliable test for many sections of the country. For 

 these sections that grow for commercial purposes there would be more value got 

 out ot a branch farm in southern Ontario than can be obtained from the Experimental 

 Farm here, from the tests which have been made for producing the hardier fruits for 

 the colder regions. I am quite in accord with the spirit of the resolution. 



Mr. Smith. — In regard to the farm at Guelph, there is a gentleman here, Prof. 

 Panton, who can tell us what success they had with the fruits there. 



Prof. Panton. — I really could not tell you the success of our trial there, but I 

 published it in a former bulletin. We started out with some ninety-six varieties and 

 a good many of them would not ripen with us. I think we cut them down to about 

 twelve. 



Mr. Smith. — The question is, do you regard the location at G-uelph as a suitable 

 one for testing the tender varieties of fruits, such as are grown in southern Ontario. 



Prof. Panton. — I think hardly so, for the tender fruits. With regard to the 

 small fruits, we have had fairly good success, but none with the grapes. Peaches 

 and pears we never attempt to grow. In regard to apples, this year we are setting 

 out in the orchard a large niimber, and probably we shall have some good results. 



Mr. WooLVERTON. — This is a desirable matter to push, and perhaps the resolu- 

 tion should be referred to the Legislative Committee. 1 do not think there would 

 have to be any great expense incurred in establishing such a branch station as has 

 been indicated. There is such a station in the State of Michigan. Mr. T. T. Lyons, 

 President of the Michigan Horticultural Society, sent me a circular some time ago 

 speaking of the success they had had, and I do not see why it is not a practical 

 thing that we should have one. 



The resolution was unanimously adopted. 



The President. — I think if we transmit the resolution to the Minister of Agri- 

 culture with the proper representations, it will suffice. The next paper will be by 

 Sir Thomas Beall of Lindsay, on " The Suitability of the Climate of Ontario for the 

 Propagation of Grapes for Wine." 



Ml- Beall. I should state that the title of the paper as just announced, and 



which appears on the programme, is not as I gave it in. Owing to severe illness in 

 mv family I had not the time to get up all the particulars that I would like to have 

 obtained on the subject, and, with the permission of the Convention, I will change 

 the title of the paper to read : 



The Growing of Grapes for Wine in Ontario. 



Grape cultare in this Province is capable of expansion to almost an unlimited 

 extent. We have thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands, of acres of land where 



