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He had got the same results in connexion with pear trees. The 

 codlin moth did not do nearly the damage that the black spot 

 did. He would rather have the former struck out than not have 

 the black spot put in. 



Mr. Drapee asked the altitude of Mr. Warren's orchard ? 



Mr. Wabken : 1,200 feet above sea level. 



Mr. Draper thought that had a great deal to do with it. His 

 place was only 400 feet above sea level. 



Mr. Allen agreed as to the effect of the climate. He had 

 known of trees not bearing for four years owing to the black 

 spot, and the fifth year being quite clean. A moist spring would 

 cause the fusicladium to spread. Where Mr. Lang and Mr. Warren 

 were it was a great deal higher, and it would not be so much 

 affected with the Jusicladium. 



Mr. Banks thought the black spot should be included. 



Mr. Beetuch thought the people should be educated, and the 

 fines made very light. In regard to the fungus have little or no 

 fines for the first year, but enforce the law that it must be 

 destroyed. 



Mr. Williams suggested the adding of the words — " That it 

 should include any other insect or fungus." He certainly 

 thought fungus should be retained. 



Mr. Sykbs agreed with that view. 



The Chaieman said they had great difiiculty as to this clause, 

 because the word fungus covered so wide an area ; but they need 

 not put" the clause into operation until such time as the people 

 were educated up to the necessity of doing something as against 

 the ravages of some special variety of fungus. As to Mr. Craike'a 

 amendment, he would point out that the House would never 

 accept any proposal that took the controlling power out of the 

 hands of the Minister for the time being. The Minister would 

 be certain to act on the opinion of the central board, but he did 

 not think it would be wise to say that they should be the moving 

 spirit.^ The Minister and the department were the responsible 

 ones in the administration of the Act ; so to give the power to 

 move into any other hands would be unwise. As to the black 

 spot, he thought the department and Parliament would have no 

 objection to add that to the schedule ; but the clause they were 

 considering provided for the introduction of any kind of fungus 

 or insect on proclamation in the Gazette, so that even placing that 

 in the schedule would only have this advantage that it would 

 come into operation immediately the Bill was passed without 

 having to issue a proclamation. 



Mr. Williams moved that black spot, or /wsicZac^iMm, be added 

 to the schedule. 



Mr. Waeeen seconded the amendment. 



