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increase of supply but an increased demand. If every vine-grower 

 in the colony knew that his produce would find a ready market 

 there and then, every man would go in for producing the article— 

 the supply was too great already. One speaker had said they 

 •were selling wine at Is. and Is. 6d. a gallon, and could not get 

 'rid of it even at that. All Governments of all countries have 

 ielped their vine-growers, because it was a national industry. 

 His view of how the G-overnment should " spoon feed " was to 

 ■try and find a market for their wines. He did not think the 

 Government should help with 3d. a gallon. The main point wag, 

 as with the dairy interest, to get experts who knew what the 

 world wanted, and produce an article to their taste, then the 

 world would buy of it. What Dr. Mueller had done was 

 much to the credit of his ingenuity and power of observation. 

 They needed experts and proper cellarmen with practical and 

 theoretical knowledge to produce those wines. In Austria and 

 ;Hungary they did just the same. There their vineyards had gone 

 to ruin, and the Government took them in hand and " spoon fed " 

 them. What had it done there ? It had made Austro-Hungary 

 one of the greatest wine-prddiioing countries ; they were now 

 -exporting their wines, and it was by the " spoon feeding." 



Mr. West. — Not by bonuses. 



Dr. L. L. Smith. — Mr. West must not try and get out of his 

 •statement about spoon feeding. What did they do there ? They 

 formed their schools of viticulture. Ten years ago he advocated 

 that in Parliament ; not that their sons should be taught by 

 i^rofessors from Austria, but that they should be sent to such 

 place to learn the high art of wine-making. It was an art that 

 required the greatest care and attention and knowledge. He had 

 ■said — "Send your sons to the schools of viticulture, there to learn 

 the science of wine-making and cellar work." The professors 

 from there had to learn a lot as to the climate here, whereas 

 a voung man going from here would have that knowledge, and 

 would bring back the requisite information from abroad. Dr. 

 Mueller said they wanted uniformity, that one word indicated 

 the real ground of success in wine-making. He (Dr. Smith) had 

 xecently been in Europe, and had mixed -with people there who 

 ■ had a practical knowledge of wine-making, and the one thing they 

 •desiderated was uniformity. One wine merchant there said he 

 •-would send to Victoria for a certain class of claret ; he wanted 

 1,000 cases of it ; and he and his customers also say — " That 

 is a beautiful wine, send more cases of it." When they tasted it 

 '-they said — " That is not the same wine as I had before; there is 

 something wrong about this wine " It was uniformity they re- 

 quired, but how were they to get it ? He thought the way was to 

 'get four of the best cellarmen who had completed their education, 

 •eay, in Hungary— men who had got their diplomas, and had gone 



