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Mr. Vahland seconded the resolution. He thought the Board 

 should have power to levy a rate. If the vine-growers would not 

 help themselves they should not go the Government to do every- 

 thing for them. If they subscribed £1,000 he did not think the 

 Government would have any objection to subscribe another 

 £1,000, and that would be a good fund to start the Board with. 

 He thought there should be in the resolution a provision for 

 compensation to be paid for vines, to be rooted out. He thought 

 the Board, when established, should have power to carry out 

 those things without going to the Government. 



Mr. P, DB Castella said he thought that any men planting vine- 

 yards after this should not be paid compensation, as they went 

 into the business with their eyes open. What had been done in 

 the past was different from what had to be done in the future, 



Mr. F. DE Castella thought that would be dealt with in the 

 phylloxera proposals to be considered further on. 



The Chairman put the motion. Carried. 



Mr. Vahland would like again to bring up the matter of 

 American resisting vines. He understood that some seed had 

 already been sent for; but, if Mr. de Castella and Signer Bragato 

 were correct, that was the wrong method of getting the vines ; 

 they should send for cuttings, and, as the Government were in a 

 better way to command the genuine article than private in- 

 dividuals, he thought it would be as well for the Conference ta 

 settle which was the article to send for, and the Government 

 should take the matter in hand, so as to provide the cuttings at 

 the best possible time. 



Mr. F. DE Castella said that, with regard to the whole 

 question of the importation of cuttings or seed, it was important 

 as far as the Government were concerned. He thought there was 

 no immediate hurry, as it was now the spring at home, and if they 

 wrote home for the cuttings the vines were just bursting int» 

 leaf, and they could not get cuttings for about eight months. 

 With regard to the advisability of getting cuttings, there was a 

 great deal to be said. Certain persons had pointed out that it 

 was better to have cuttings than seed ; but he must say he could 

 not agree with the condemnation of the importation of seed. No 

 doubt the vines from seeds sometimes did not have the exact 

 character of the parent vine, but that was because of their being 

 hybridized by the pollen from other vines. The matter had been 

 threshed out in Switzerland, and they had determined to adopt 

 seeds instead of cuttings. He would read from the report of M.Jean 

 Duf our to Department of Agriculture, Cantonde Vand, Switzerland, 

 March, 1887, as follows : — " Is one sure to obtain by means of 

 seeds the American types one wishes ? This is an objection which 

 deserves to be closely examined. It is possible that propagation 

 by seeds does not give in the same measure as propagation by 



