HEARINGS BEFORE COMMITTEE ON AGRICULTURE. 67 
Mr. Wuritvey. Mr. Chairman, I would say the draftsmen are in 
the employ of the Bureau already, but on miscellaneous rolls. It is 
step a transfer to the statutory roll. ‘ 
The Cuatrman. What are they getting on the lump sum roll now? 
Mr. Wurrney. They are getting these salaries. 
The Cuatrman. The same salaries? 
Mr. Wurryry. There is no increase at all. It is just in harmony 
with the wish of the committee, heretofore expressed, that we get all 
of the clerks on the statutory roll, and we have all of our clerks on the 
statutory roll now with the exception of these two places. 
Mr. Bowtr. It is just swapping from one pocket to the other, then. 
Mr. Wuitney. Yes, sir. ° 
Mr. Bowte. Is that true of these other increases, one additional mes- 
senger and one additional charwoman? 
Mr. Wuritney. Yes. 
The CuarrMANn. First we come toa fireman. You will sce there isa 
fireman submitted. 
Mr. Bowrs. Yes. 
Mr. Wuitnery. That is simply a transfer of a fireman at the same 
salary. He has been with us for a number of years. 
The Cuarrman. He is actually doing fireman’s work, is he? 
Mr. Wuiryry. Yes. 
The Cuairman. He is not a clerk in disguise? 
Mr. Wurrney. No; notatall. He looks after our engine and boiler 
and heating plant. 
The Cuarrman. Where is that; over in that rented building? 
Mr. Wuirnsy. Yes, sir. The matter has been up before the com- 
mittee before, and the committee has taken the position that as we are 
going to get a permanent building at some future time, this position 
would eventually have to be dropped, but we have had him now for 
eight or nine years. That is, we have had this position for eight or 
nine years, and there is every probability that we will have the posi- 
tion for four or five years longer at least. 
The Cuatrman. Of course all those laborers and firemen will have 
to be rearranged when we get the new building? 
Mr. Wuitnrey. Yes; but in the meantime, until we get some place 
we will have to have a fireman, and we have been paying this salary. 
The object is simply to get the laborers and clerks on the statutory roll. 
The Cuatrman. There has not been so much desire to get the laborers 
on the statutory roll as the clerks. 
Mr. Wuirney. No, not the straight-out laborers; but all messengers, 
I suppose, and charwomen and firemen, and that class of classified 
laborers, I understood, were to go onto the statutory roll. 
The Caarrman. Now, you ask for another messenger, just below 
that—‘‘two messengers at $720 each (one additional submitted).” Is 
that 1 additional or 2 additional from the lump-sum roll? 
Mr. Wuitney. We had to take on another messenger during the 
past year. 
The Cuarrman. Why do you have so much work for a messenger? 
Mr. Wuitnry. We have a great deal. 
The Cuarrman. How many messengers have you? 
Mr. Wurrtney. Two. We.are scattered over three buildings, and 
we have to communicate with them and with the main building. 
Mr. Grarr. You have no elevators, have you? 
