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aia bee would not show whether it came from one vineyard or 
another vineyard. 
Mr. Wier. No; of course the government certificate would be of 
great benefit in such a case. 
The Cuarrman. I think I can state with truth that they do take our 
certificates over there in ninety-nine cases out of a hundred. 
Mr. Wizey. Perhaps they do take them. 
The CuarrMAN. In other words, one government could not afford 
to refuse to take the certificate of the other government or question 
its veracity; that would raise a row right off. Now and then they 
might investigate that certificate and see if it is correct, by chemical 
analysis or otherwise; I do not say they might not do that. 
Mr. Wier. You know, Mr. Chairman, that under the law as it 
stands now the Secretary of Agriculture is furnishing certificates for 
export food products to foreign countries, and so far as I know they 
have not been refused. 
The Cuarrman. I know that is so; they test those products on the 
sly, as it were, sometimes, but they accept them. 
Mr. Havern. Do foreign governments send chemists here to ana- 
lyze and inspect our products? 
Mr. Witey. The Italian Government has a chemist in New York, 
Mr. Rosatti, who looks out for the interest of his people in this coun- 
try. He does not do that secretly; he is there in his office, and has 
been in my laboratory. He is a skilled chemist, and in fact he helped 
me in the examination of some of these Italian oils that he thought 
ought to be all right. 
oe Havueen. Practically, that is what you propose to do over 
there ¢ 
Mr. Witzy. Yes. 
Mr. Scorr. What amount do you ask for for this agent? 
Mr. Wizey. For the whole expense next year, $50,000 is the sum 
we have asked. 
Mr. Scorr. About what proportion of that amount will go to that 
man you propose to send over to Europe? 
Mr. Wiey. I should say that we could not get men of value for 
less than $3,000 apiece, and we ought to have three of those men 
there. 
The Cuarrman. You have asked for $78,000—— 
Mr. Wixey. $50,000 is for that special purpose. 
Mr. Scorr. About how many of those agents at approximately 
000 would you expect to send over there? 
Mr. Wier. About three. 
Mr. Scorr. That would involve an expenditure of about $10,000, 
and what this committee wants to know, I think, is what assurance 
you can give us that we will get any practical results from the expendi- 
ture. e would like to know how you are going to accomplish what 
you wish to accomplish. I do not see how these men are going to get 
at this thing in a practical way. 
Mr. Wrrey. I will tell you what put this idea in my head. It was 
my consultation last summer with Mr. Pheysey, who has charge of 
the wine department of the army and navy stores. I went into his 
store without announcement. He is an old friend of mine, and I 
knew him well. I said to him, ‘‘I came in to pay my respects, but I 
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