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all evidence possible in order to nl out their dishonest competitors; 
that would help the sale of their high-grade wines, it seems to me. 
Mr. Wizey. I would suggest this: That if you can suggest a better 
plan for preventing these frauds, I will be glad to adopt it. I have 
thought about this, and this is the best plan I can think of; if you have 
a better plan I would like to see it tried. I believe I can work out this 
plan as we have suggested it pretty thoroughly. 
Mr. Grarr. What would be the salary of these men? 
Mr. Witey. Ido not know. There is the man we had there I think 
we could get for about $3,000, and you could not get a better man, in 
my opinion, than that one. 
The Cuarrman. ls he a Frenchman? 
Mr. Wier. He was born there, but he is an American citizen now, 
and has been for twenty-five years. 
Mr. Havern. Is he a chemist? 
Mr. Witey. He isa practical wine maker; he has had a vineyard 
in this country ever since he has been here. His business is wine 
making. If I could get such a man as Henry Lackman, of San Fran- 
cisco, of course I would do it. Ido not suppose that we could get 
him, and, if we succeeded in getting him of course, he would not go 
into it for the money, but simply for the love he has for the work and 
the interest he takes in it. e knows the wine business from begin- 
ning to end, and knows everything in connection with it. Of course, I 
am not thinking of anyone in particular, but only suggesting the 
character of the men that could do this work. You would want high- 
toned men, high-grade men. 
I would say that of the $50,000 which the Secretary has recom- 
mended for this purpose, I roughly propose to expend about $10,000 
in getting evidence in order that we would be able to exclude a few of 
these misbranded wines, and if we succeeded in doing that I think that 
would soon settle the matter; and the rest of the $50,000 would be 
used to do the work I speak of in the various ports. 
The Cuarrman. Give us the details of that $40,000, please. 
Mr. Wier. I estimated that about $10,000 of it would be used in 
the port of New York, and about $5,000 in Philadelphia, Boston, San 
Francisco 
The Cuarrman. $10,000 in New York? 
Mr. Wirey. Yes, it will take at least that there. 
The CaarrmMan. $5,000 where? 
Mr. Witry. In Philadelphia; $5,000 in Boston, $5,000 in New 
Orleans, and $5,000, or maybe a little more, in California, because 
that port has got to do the work of that whole coast; we have to do 
all that work in San Francisco. And then I want one station in the 
central part of the country for the internal ports, either at Chicago or 
St. Louis—probably- Chicago. 
The Cuarrman. $5,000 for Chicago? 
Mr. Wiuxy. Yes. The rest of it would be for general expenses in 
our own Bureau. 
The Caarrman. That would be $35,0004 
Mr. Witey. And $10,000 for work in Europe; we will want $5,000 
here at home. That is a rough estimate. 
Mr. Burueson. All that, with the exception of the $9,000, is to 
prevent adulterations? 
Mr. Wixy. Yes. 
