260 HEARINGS BEFORE COMMITTEE ON AGRICULTURE. 
get what you want. There is no other way to get them. There was 
no disbursing officer down there, and I could not hire a man even and 
pay him off Saturday night. 
The Cuarrmayn. If that is the field of Congress, if we do not give 
you enough money—— 
Mr. Wiey. I am not complaining of that. I am only illustrating 
how it is done. I have often done that when I have done work for the 
Government outside. 
Mr. Scorr. Did you say you had solved the problem of granulation? 
Mr. Wurey. That is partially solved. We want to solve it without 
adding anything to the sirup. We are working on the line of slow 
boiling, so as to have the heat applied for a long time. 
’ Mr. Havcen. How much did this outfit cost you? 
Mr. Wier. The plant cost between $10,000 and $11,000, and the 
$5,000 we have used for ordinary expenses of running. 
The CHarrMan. It seems to me that that plant cost you a good deal 
of money. 
Mr. Wirzey. If you could see it and see the character of the work, 
I do not think you would think so. There is nothing cheap about it. 
Mr. Havcrn. How much did you say it would produce? 
Mr. Wrtzy. About 3 tons an hour; about 66 gallons an hour, or 
about 2 barrels. : 
Mr. Scorr. How much did you turn out this year? 
Mr. Wirey. We did not turn out any ourselves, because our funds 
would not allow it. We let the people, under the contract with them, 
operate it for themselves. They paid all the expenses of the operation 
and we let them use the building under our supervision. Ido not know 
how much they made. 
The Cuarrman. You would not buy any cane yourself? 
Mr. Witxy. Oh, no; we only conducted the experimental work. 
The amount asked for, I think, is a proper amount to give so as to com- 
plete this work. 
The other increase is, Mr. Chairman, I believe, altogether in the 
proposed transfer of the funds for the investigation of road materials to 
the Bureau of Chemistry instead of appropriating it to the road office, 
and haying it transferred by the act of the Secretary. We feel it will 
be best in the way of administration to have the money appropriated 
directly to the Bureau of Chemistry. It is a little awkward now, 
although no friction has arisen between Mr. Dodge and myself; but 
still it is a little awkward to use his money, and so the Secretary has 
put in $15,000, which is $5,000 more than Mr. Dodge gave us. When 
you consider the character of this work, and the fundamental principles 
underlying it in road construction, I think you will agree that it isa 
wise expenditure; because what is the use of building roads with 
materials that will not last? The object of our investigation is to 
determine beforehand the character of the materials used for build- 
ing roads. We can tell you whether the material you are going to 
put on your road will last or not, whether it will break up or blow 
away in dust, and so there will be no excuse for building a road with 
poor material. That is the character of this investigation. We do 
that for all parts of the United States. Wherever a road is building, 
anybody that wants to do so can have the material that it is proposed 
to be used on the road examined in our bureau. 
