HEARINGS BEFORE COMMITTEE ON AGRICULTURE. 839 
the request for these four men, said he was going to organize the 
country into four districts, and assign to each dete what might be 
called a ‘‘road lecturer,” with the object in view of arousing the 
interest of the people in the necessity for better roads; and that he 
did not propose to build any roads; simply proposed to tell them, by 
means of these lectures, how to build them, etc., and what material to 
use. Has that organization been kept up? 
Mr. Doper. Yes, sir; that organization has been kept up, and the 
gentlemen in the field do give most of their time in instruction, but 
they also discover material and send it for testing, and they have 
discovered —— : 
The Cuarrman. Who are those four gentlemen! 
Mr. Doper. Professor Holmes, of South Carolina, is the represent- 
ative of the Southern district. 
Mr. Lever. What State? 
Mr. Dover. Of North Carolina, I mean. 
Mr. Burveson. He is in charge of the geological display at the 
World’s Fair? 
Mr. Dover. He is, and we have allowed him, since he’was appointed 
to that, to make a substitute of another gentleman. 
Mr. Lams. What was his name? 
Mr. Dover. W. L. Spoon. 
The Cuarrman. Is not Mr. Holmes in the experimental station in 
North Carolina ¢ 
Mr. Dover. He was; but I think not now. He used to be the State 
geologist of North Carolina, but Mr. Holmes has been an exceedingly 
valuable and efficient man in this service, and has written many pub- 
lications, which he keeps up. He is issuing, bulletins in his own State. 
Mr. Lamp. Is he lecturing now? 
Mr. Dover. He gives a good many lectures, and he has also intro- 
duced the method of combining the raw clay with the sand, so as to 
make a mixture. Mr. Spoon has sort of grown up under his tuition, 
and we have allowed him for the last year to make this substitution. 
Whether he would be able to give any time to it from now on, isa 
question. 
Mr. Burteson. On that very point; you say no road building has 
been undertaken in Texas and that no expert has ever visited that 
great State as a lecturer? 
Mr. Doper. Mr. Holmes did about two or three years age. 
Mr. Burieson. At what point? 
Mr. Dongs I do not know as he gave lectures at any point, but he 
made a trip through there and reported upon the general conditions. 
I have already stated that I thought the Southwest had been neglected. 
I want to refresh your recollection about what I said as to Mr. Stone 
giving much attention to the Northeast; and since I have been in charge 
of the office I have been giving much to the South and West; but the 
Southwest 1 have not been able to reach, but expect to do so. Pro- 
fessor Holmes was appointed under this plan that the chairman has 
understood, and has had the special jurisdiction of that. It is a pretty 
large division. 
Mr. Burieson. Right on that point I will say that we are accus- 
tomed to living on hope. ; 
Mr. Doper. I think it is a pretty large jurisdiction. I have not 
fully answered the question, because you interrupted. I have stated 
