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Mr. Bowtz.. May I ask you a question? Perhaps you have already 
explained it, but it is not in my mind. You have asked for an increase 
in the lump sum of $30,000; but, as I understand, that is an actual 
increase of $45,000, because $15,000 now chargeable against the lump 
sum you propose to transfer to some other department and let it be 
carried against some other lump sum. Ten thousand dollars off from 
$35,000 will be $25,000. Under what theory was the $10,000 charged 
to this lump sum at all? 
Mr. Dovcr. The theory of that did not originate with myself. I 
am not asking to have this done. It is the Secretary’s request. The 
Secretary, as I have already stated, has divided this fund which was 
heretofore appropriated into three portions, one portion of $10,000 
for the testing laboratory, another portion of $6,000 for the resident 
agents, and the balance for 
Mr. Bowig. Office expenses? 
Mr. Dopex. And force; and whatever work we could do in the way 
of object lessors. Now the laboratory has been pretty well developed. 
It seems, however, they think they need a little more. The laboratory 
work, I will say, is in the building where the Chemical Bureau is 
situated, and they work in collaboration, and I suppose the theory is 
that it would be better for them to work for us, so it was divided. I 
was not particular about it myself at all; it was not suggested by me, 
but it was believed by the chief of the division and by the Secretary 
and by the chief of the road-material laboratory that it would be 
better to have it so. I have no objection to it. 
Mr. Bowrs. Let me ask you another question: Suppose we consent 
to the transfer of the chemical work to another lump sum appropria- 
tion, raising that other a sufficient amount to take care of it, would it 
not leave you a net increase of $10,000 for your general work, even if 
we left your lump sum appropriation at $35,0004 
Mr. Doves. Yes, sir; it would. 
Mr. Bowre. You would get the increase; so you are interested in it 
to that extent, so far as the work of your department is concerned ‘ 
Mr. Doves. Yes, sir. 
Mr. Haugen. When these estimates were made, were not the 
$15,000 included in the estimate? 
Mr. Dopcx. Not in theestimate youhavecitedhere. It wasincluded 
in my report. 
Mr. Haucen. Did you expect the $15,000 besides the $65,000 4 
Mr. Dopex. Yes; [remember now. They-did call me in conference 
about this matter—the Secretary and Doctor Wiley of the Chemical 
Bureau—and the Secretary took it all under advisement and finally 
divided the figures in this way and asked for the two different amounts. 
Thereupon the committee adjourned until 2 o’clock p. m. 
AFTER RECESS. 
IRRIGATION AND AGRICULTURAL ENGINEERING INVES- 
TIGATIONS. 
STATEMENT OF HON. W. R, SMITH, M. C., OF TEXAS. 
Mr. Smiru. Mr. Chairman, I desire to thank the committee for this 
privilege, and to say that I shall consume but_a very few minutes in 
presenting the remarks that I wish to make. I want to make a state- 
