428 HEARINGS BEFORE COMMITTEE ON AGRICULTURE. 
Mr. Burteson. Asa matter of fact there should be the most cordial 
cooperation between the Department of Agriculture and the experi. 
ment station. 
Mr. Grarr. But the Agricultural Department ought to dominate. 
Mr. Burieson. Because it would result often in great saving. If 
they had a corps of scientists who are experts along certain lines and 
an investigation was ordered from here along that line it would be 
much more economical to employ their assistants than to employ 
new men. 
Secretary Wiitson. Yes; we have not just exactly gone the length 
of telling them what to do. 
The Cuarrman. I think the greatest result that will come from 
cooperation, Mr. Secretary, will be the avoidance of duplication. 
Secretary Witson. That is one of the potent reasons why there 
should be an understanding as to what a station is going to do, so that 
no one station would duplicate the work of another that is being done 
along identically the same lines. But we think we are making progress 
along that line, and we think the stations are doing better and better 
work gradually. 
I wish the colleges were doing as well. The colleges we have little 
to do with; they are doing better than they have been, but the disposi- 
tion to educate lawyers and doctors and dentists and preachers and 
typewriters still prevails in the land a little more than it should. That 
money goes from Washington to these institutions to educate the 
farmer and mechanic—that is the intention of it—and because, asa 
general thing, there is no fee charged, people who want a cheap edu- 
cation are apt to sneak in and then start off in some other direction 
when they get through. But they take up the room and absorb the 
funds. 
I remember being at Berkeley, Cal., when President McKinley was 
there last—I think that was three years ago now—and I saw a class of 
150 graduate; but Berkeley gets $75,000 a year from Washington. 
There was not a farmer in the lot, not one. I made a good deal ado 
about it. I talked freely to the newspaper men; and I think they are 
beginning to do a little better out there. They did what you people 
in ‘New York did. They appropriated $60,000 to begin a farm down 
at Santa Barbara—they lost hope of anything being done at Berkeley— 
and they are turning their attention toward something of this kind 
now, and progress is being made along those lines. With regard to 
Sa reuen, there is quite an important movement in the mountain 
tates. 
Those people would like to know, through experimentation in 
growing forage crops and in feeding, how to finish their stock for the 
market; and I would like very much to engage in a feeding experi- 
ment of that kind; would like to encourage them; would like to send 
a scientist there to discuss methods with them, and pay a little money 
to those that keep the records, so that we could get them for publica- 
tion, and all that. It is a matter in which the whole mountain country 
isinterested. They can grow things out there; and now, since we have 
taken hold, 1 have gotten grasses and grain and legumes for them from 
all parts of the world; and we are atuteine their condition with regard 
to production. This question becomes more and more pressing with 
them, and I think they are going to send a committee to see me and to 
see you gentlemen. I shall ask you to give them a hearing if they. 
