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out 30 or 40, buys them, and takes them over to Ireland. They are 
trained there and sold to the English gentlemen as Irish hunters. 
They are American horses, every one of them. Lipton, this man of 
whom you have heard so much, had a factory in Chicago, in which he 
worked up all the light, thin hogs, and sold them to the British for 
Irish bacon. We have lost the name both in regard to the hog and 
the horse. Now, our people don’t know; I have not met a man in my 
lifetime who could tell me how to produce that hunting horse, or how 
to most economically produce the heavy, high-stepping carriage horse; 
and, going beyond that, how to produce the anima! that is wanted for 
this locality or that—way down Routh, or way North, or way West, or 
way East. 
Those pedigreed animals we import from foreign . countries, from 
the produce of their pastures. Our pastures vary just as they vary 
abroad, but we have not set about the systematic breeding of domes- 
tic animals for use on our farms in the several localities of the United 
States. And I think it would be wise for the Department of Agri- 
culture to cooperate with a little at three or four experiment stations 
along those lines; set out and see if we can not produce the horse the 
European hunters want. We can produce a horse cheaper here than 
they can anywhere else in the world, because we have the cheapest grain 
and the cheapest grass and the most intelligence in our people. Our 
people are about, all horsemen. 
But it has not occurred to any of our people who have plenty of 
means to experiment along those lines so that they can tell us how to 
breed those horses. I confess I have some idea of how to produce the 
several breeds, but I do not know enough about it so as to authorita- 
tively speak to the American people and tell them how they should 
produce a hunter. We have got blood down in the South, and splen- 
did horsemen 
Mr. Lams. Do you not find the finest hunting horse almost in the 
world in Virginia now? 
Secretary Wixson. You find the foundation for them, without ques- 
tion. But you must have the hunting horse that will take the ditch 
with ease. He must have good plow, but when he carries that 16- 
stone Englishman on his back he must have more strength and size 
than a thoroughbred horse has got, and the question is where to brin 
in and gk much to bring in, with the colt blood, to get size anal 
strength. 
Mr Lamp. I would like to show you some of them down there. 
Secretary Wriison. Probably we can find a few; a man can go South 
and buy one; if he wanted a thousand I do not know where he would 
find them. 
Mr. Lams. The trouble is there; they raise them for their own use. 
Secretary Witson. We get some of them in the North. I would 
like to be empowered by the committee by sufficient appropriation to 
the Bureau of Animal Industry to begin a series of experimentations 
along that line, both with regard to horses, cattle, and sheep; I think 
we have solved the hog question pretty well. 
The CHarrm4n. You are doing some of that work at the Iowa 
station? 
Secretary Witson. A little of it, along the sheep lines; and we will 
have opinions in regard to the most profitable sheep. 
The Cuatrman. You are doing some of it along cattle lines, too? 
