Sara. 6. 1883.] 



FOREST AND STREAM. 



109 



under my own <ii.ii-rv.-ii mn. as can -Todgers" against them, 

 jin.l whereas lii-, -lories are from hearsay and casual bbserva- 

 ttbi), mine, would be from pmctieal experience and personal 

 ownership, A true bulldog or a genuine hull-terrier i> not to 

 l„- :., nul .it cv,-iv coinci . half starved and roadv l<< l.c picked 

 up by some fortunate "frien'l." The dogs with which "Pod- 

 gcrs" appears t ■• have had acquaintance-hip have been dogs 

 bred .,ii iliesir.-ct, or b\ (1,<- hostler back of the barn: <lo ttOt 



call l.hcm by the generic inn f bulldog: Do what [have 



<loii!-. friend -Toners" ..u to New York, Philadelphia, Pitts- 

 burgh, Cleveland. Del 



!'!"■■ 



Shows and tie 

 personal i 

 true biiiM. 



Viil I'M- 11 gtll 



then, and T)i- 



-■it. 



mil 

 litv 

 prop- 



fco their master) tl«-ii- protect ive watchfulness ov 



erty. and their niijiiiniii.e 1 ; -,i :n.il OlmQSl hinuan like love for 

 In- i..imly. 0_Va\ W. I'i-h. 



DOG CRITICS. 



Editor Warvkt nnii Stream: 



51v hat is off to Col. Taylor. Wood uioiuingi Colonel] 1 

 fOTmerly greeted yon as a gentleman and n i-ru<- lover <>t the 

 .i<,_- ni.w I pay 1. 1\ respects; to yoti as a pix*t. The preface to 

 your last epistl, •■•■■■■ i coble prose poem worthy a better 

 sequel. Yon h.-nl not much to sa.y about Mayor of Bingluy's 

 li.-i.-l .•in bad i-ii.-.dli -n:;i"l to prove de- 



fective. Apparent^ you have Lauded the subject over to Mr. 

 '. 1;. Mason, nil" has not union to say about ir either, al- 

 th' ugh In-, iluc- lii-'- vigorously at me — random shots mostly. 

 Hi- intenti ins • iod, but urn tad 1 will attend to Mm 



' 'Y.'m'w.'Vi'r'nimid tli.-'d."- ' •' \'l.n u'.'-.l '-'.v tin- I;, n Mai ''-■'• ,', 

 di.iv._iwi,.. ,,, her man's dog a Wei or 



cuff, but your dwb yon ^cautiously fondled and petted. A3 

 a -pcctatur.it 1 hi- scene ! thought, Now, that good gentle- 

 lnand,.. not oeni to think tlial he is wounding iln- feelings 



of ti wners, Suppose 1 give his ■ •• Utile feickto let him 



"see in, w :i 1- himself,'' Whit an indignation meeting was 

 then liold. ybureffur! has tduaa been to snow that you wore 

 i.-iiih doing -tin- other owners a real service in tho most pure- 



withnnl-in.llie, ■ me . .-.,1 nibi. Out \.„i discovered that It 



waBo nio-i unpleasant proceeding when the put-yourself-in- 

 hi.-, place argument was applied. 



1 forgive von all v., Hi- h.-.rd words about me, forth.- sake of 

 that inuanurmg sea poem In your last, but I cannot allow 

 your charge of prejudice to pass without •■< rebuke, Yuii quote 

 me assaying, prior to vuur ownership of Mayor, th.<t be was 

 "the grandest dog oi the type I ever saw.'- I never said so, 

 never thought so, although I may have said he was a grand 

 big dog, and i • ■ if Ben u you qubte me 



as saying he was ""the grandest spauial of his kind, he aver 

 -;kn " I iic,vi-u-,-,|.-:i:l, word; . -j.-.lhi. li-uedict, because I 

 i|, ■- • 11 ■•d -. d his h. -ad .ami always ■,-.«! -.. At I i-vel.-uid the firs! 



timet Scored nim, ! took avepointsoff foi-deiv.-tiv.- i,.wi. n-i- 



l.nd v 



ill. 



,,-k-i 



lH at -'.low-, wiiih- holding the position of secretary to 



the A ricau. Coctair Spaniel Cluh 1 am quite uneons-eious 



of this being either a display of bad tasi ■ weongruitry on 



my part. The club is not a. private concern as you seem to 

 suppose, ' ■•.-opo-.-.i of iiiiiiin individual breeders through 



. .1 , tli,. <g< -. < ■._ .,,,.<•■ In 1 !d ; ,, , 



<iui tie- States and Canada 

 Her Club Mn-in, ' h.i,. ,-t.- 

 that I hiiA ■< ■ 



11 la 

 Alio 



i-kr; 



the Fox-ier 

 lat 1 had' ah\ 



Fo 



Norfolk is 



■ 



lousoooas 



You inn 



repi. if yi 

 Mi v. "I W 



exhibited 



Hold 



e "gutting warv." you want to argue that a 

 black field spaniel— a vci-v different matter. 

 ii| learn a little. A little "knowledge is some- 

 ts thing; it may serve to make us look ridieu- 



ofiei 



which I :. 



rongly inclined to ac 



J live disiiiteres.t.n 



OW u point.-r from a fox- 

 'i'h.-le are t WQ ( oii.o stent 

 0. II. M.-.ion. "for they 

 r.-atly to their credit," but 

 i.hcr three!' ,Iu»t cs impos- 

 teous men iu S„!,„„ and 



better Newfoundland than 

 expense -,i ., eup for the 

 hibited at the approaching 



-,v.- .h.-.li-cision Willi the 



,-.,.- was in London before 



. iiturirm 1.0 <--it:- 



-. Well, I hate to tntej 1. re 



_itiiii.<.t - business, and dog- 

 ( 'ol. '1'avlor had t n-.-u un 



ni.ilv taking unn • r- 



•i.-.-in dogs, and want rnly 



•vhiliitor at the W. K. C. 



;qdaiu to have a little taste 

 enough Mayor of Bingley 



v into the h.-i'.iil-ol' hi.- un- 

 to \lr. Mason tor my iu- 

 inopportunely 

 • customer for him. Let me 

 ertome if he 



tamed iueaohofhis letters) without lear e a 



ut dog-showina, LTofortunatoly, however, ttte 

 it he :.i-: pi ' » himself upon is what hones) 



to •<• -i.i- \i tistie faking is really a miserable 

 it to boast ulK.ut. Mr. C. H. Mason exhibited 

 ley ut. Birniingham in L8S0. Wh> was he there 



i. the defects in Mayor 

 I emoted fr some 



lyor's head was de- 

 to SB.y that I know 



but he carefully ab- 



rroru answering in .■ •nm.-in- Mr. .\l.i--....ii refers to 



'.- London Field approvinu of Mayor 

 ead. Very likely it was by the -one wnn.i. u ho, in 

 ist.| thus neseribes 



judges, vi/.. • 



where, wb 

 Bible as it wi 

 Ihiuioiiah. 

 You also 

 Mayor of Bu 



dealing; is quite H leg 

 wi-,-i\ ;vb I thou; 

 tronble to traduce 



wo,,,, din. 



show, and sural, he 

 of his own medicine, 

 appears to reourn ■ 



1 aj lor challenged me to point ou 

 of Bingley's bead, ana in answei in{ bin 



supposed ,-nii horiiic- lo prove thai. M. 

 forme I Mr. M ison -■•!.' is the 

 nothing about dogs except from 

 Sta' 



1- , 



repot '■ nig a -ho-,\ ii 



the Si. Bernard V^ 



SOma ".in. -1 i. an '1 



wiih rati 



the value of such c 



Taylor it 

 or. "He is a big, 

 Col, Taylor can 



In nnswi't- in inv question ns to the occasion and under 

 whose fudging Mayin' of Bingley beat champion I -eo, ho refers 

 to Margate show, Mr. Dalziel judge. This must have been one 

 of Mr. Dalziei-s joke--. I will tell you another of them, tin 

 the 7th of August ult.. Mr. Dalziel was judge at the Pem- 

 brokeshire show <>n ii" 8th idem, or next , lav. tie same 

 gentleman officiated at Lhinelly. At the former show, in 

 blactspaulels, lie placeil l'.a.-ileiis- first and Zulu second. At 

 Llanelh nextdlaj he placed Zulu ftrsl ami Basileus second. 



1 Duke 



3th, 



iitai-,<l,i..-|.h l.i- 1. .'■■ \ 

 day. t.h.-snm- judge, Mr. Hi. 

 lt::b-. \ i|iers-,-ond..lose.ph \ 

 hepiac-.l Welsh rtiu.-.-.- Iir-I 

 imlg-- next <la\ at Llaiiilly gi 

 ee-s -econd. I'llo- 

 tle- London /-n'M of the llth 

 I in- above funln 



An 



V. 



. Dabsi 



un,l with hiu 

 aisled Mr. c< 

 yorofBingle 



Right here 1 want to 

 r. Mason, in In- letter b 

 lot of blUstBD about mv ( 

 T. Wil.luian. anil about n 



jputthatmattoi- right I quoted the dpimon of a former 

 .viii-r of Mayor of Burnley die 'hen being, as 1 belie.v.-d. 

 a-n.-d by Col, Taylor) as to the value of prizes won in England, 



,i .lei- 





ad a 



id tb 



•-II 





,b---l'- 



lir-t 



111.1 



\i-i- 



1 r 



in • 



iretak 



mi fro 



m th 



• t-.-i 



..11 



iOf 



X. I make 



110 c 





ant 



on 



lat wot 



ild be 



said 



1 -.:. 



lj'udg- 



ily, Mi 



n.ii/ 



lol should 





-i'\- 



plain 



,.- ,. 



kes. 



No \ 



i-<iii 



ler 



Such 





ratio 



is 111 



IV 



iie- 



ing 1,1. 



> uud. 



rile 



I jud 



ge. 





':;;;: 0,' 



liter 1 

 the 11 



1. 11 



nul.- 



'-.- e 



•sto 

 1111I 

 Mr 



od. 

 L 



,el 



■i-.-,, - 



of !■'• 



dish 



:„,;„ 



ell 1 



The 



r the 



, when we were talking 

 ab .111 Laveruck setters. I disclaim any intention of indorsing 

 the remark, and throw the responsibility where it belongs, 

 viz . wiih Mr. (.'. H. Mason So that portion of his letter is 

 rhodoinoiita.de as far asit refers to me. and it is in order for 

 hiin to reconcile his present attitude of praise toward English 

 judges wiih hi>. statements to me. 



Mr. Ma-011 thought it was preposterous thut, Joker should 

 beat Hoval 111 .-hampion fox-terriers at New York, and this 



is the only judgment of mine that he particularizes. Well, I 

 think it fair enough to ask a judge for his reasons, and am 

 nlwavs willing to give thfui. Royal's teeth are not so good 

 as tbeyware, and although Joker owes Mr. Mason a grudge 

 bu- the wretched wav In- handled him in tin- ring, the younger 

 dog was quite worthy the honor-. Mr. Mason judged beagles 

 at Washington. Would he like to make public the- reasons 

 for hisawardsD The remembrance of that achievement must 

 hi ,-. source of pride to him. In his next biographical sketch 



he n,u 



1 not f 



,1 •■_'-. t to mention 



the'eomiiliments that were 

 iicasioo. It was nearly as hu- 



showc- 



•ed upo 



1 him on that 







of Mr. Dalziel's . 



okes to see 3lr. Mason at Lon- 



don, C 



mada 



udge the dogs Li 



oughtover from England by 



hun-.-l 



,-r.iv, 



lv and carefully < 



xaininiiig each one as if seen 



hv hiu 



for 1 In 



lirsi time, andg 



avelv and carefully awarding 



numb. 



ihxi pr 



z.: Mayor of Bi 



lglev was of course among the 



.r. i.'. KiiiK. 



tulilor Ft 

 Dini-.ig 



?o!Tm d i 



SETTERS AND BENCH SHOWS. 



nvsi and SI rram : 



the past few months u number of letters have ap- 

 il:< variou- i-poi-ting papers in regard to the decls- 

 - and the fldgS exhibited at the various bench shows, 

 -. . bet .1 held at different places throughout the ooun- 



.•Itera were started priniorih by- reason Of a definite 

 of Thuuder present at Wnsiiiugtou in February, and 

 1 continu<;d since that, time, principally by reason of 



,t,i. - nianating from the peimof Mes-rs! Mason and 



ado 



r to ban 



rltai 



-b, 



val 



ntn 



toh 



nd to 



nd 1 



-h< 



hy,"wt, 



ud purest motive! 



aid all' ,'xiiul tj 



h his pen for the purpose 1 



factt 

 utehded, because in 

 an-..- misstatements, 

 s are matle; because. 

 isons for them, and 

 v tme of the letters 

 those of Mr. Mason; 

 son, which Mr. Tay- 

 with only tin- best, of 

 .-.- toward noli.-, and 



id i 



aaed 



by telling 

 sporting 

 Mr. Edito 



ect aud inex, 

 1 hope for gr 

 e truth 111 a t 

 ..ets general 

 [ will point 

 1 inexactnes 



-"regard to' 

 I sett erst bill 



at.euients ha 

 01 ,d to our (1. 

 ?rate and s 

 .0. and v, 



iib 



herein it seems to me iutein- 

 e been used in the above nun- 

 1 substantiate the statements I 

 . Ah I am better acquainted 

 . any one ptuarclass of Hogs, 1 

 .st exclusively to them, aud 1 

 use I believe these letters need 

 ii.-resi 01 our dogs. 

 uuiugand take up the "Thunder 

 ter denying that Thunder owed 

 iad condition." call,- him "such 



uud; if a setter ought to move 

 « bulldog, then Thunder is the 



• ■in- are clear ini-represeiitatioiis 

 nows, as well as 1 do. that, in as 

 s. and bad condition shows itself 

 legs and feet, in coat and in style, 

 ;nit --peculiar to the bulldog;" is 

 and is not with "no more bone 



OW, .,.- he undoubtedly does, that 



of the facts, for 



,-shapeofUie.-ln-:.ni 

 ed are very much ali 



and seeing that hot 

 olhows, wl,v doe- \ 

 ,,,.1 th.- other? Tin 

 torelegsoi i'liuuiK-i 



l, v - 1..1 l-.n.'|K-!..rii-.l ...,,.:-..,,. .1 :., :..i-,- ,,l ihi*, that Fred 



re are crooked in the forelegs, and that Mr! Mason 

 ex.amiii.-ii one enough to find u out. but could not see it in the 

 other, anil accordingly don't condemn i,.-.t bin this resipecti 1- 

 Mr. Mason to be classed among th,,-,- judges, who "in all 



probability would not have 

 passing under his hands? Mi 

 be curly down his quarter 

 " woolly Thunder." Neit her 

 meaning as applied to Thnnd 

 sporting dogs don'l have won 

 had been used, it would have 

 characteristic of a graat man 

 hair stand out from thobody 

 bhi if I ii- atat&of Thunder's 

 But a great tuan\ other -ei 

 most That can b,- said is. that 

 a -etter should have .1 flat ••• 



For n 



vself. I 1 



that she 



uld be CJ 



an ,-min 



,-.1 of this 



to back 



up Mr. J 



ThlUlde 



at Was 



,e. will put iii print such a 

 >e trtuiv down his quarters" 

 i, especiaUy as Stonahange, 

 ;, third edition, page 149, the 



it coat and color are things 

 least importance in choosing 

 uzei further says, in trying 

 11 placing EmperorFredc 



•rful El 



,'pra 



•a! hi 



Fred to 



the 



to lack stamina." This last feature, "Mamma." Mr. Taylor 

 ought to know, is a qualit) in regard to which neither he-, nor 

 any other man. can tell anything positive or approximately 

 true, when viewing a well-conditioned dog in the ring or on the 

 bench, and to show how easy it is to make mistakes, such as 

 are those above mentioned of Mr. Wcnzel and Mr. 'fay lor in 

 reuard lo two such dogs as Thunder and Emperor Kid, I 

 will say that for purposes outside of any such controversy as 

 this, I had a number or the bestseller? atthe New York bench 

 show measured and I found that, of these two. Thunder was 

 a frith- 1 he larger dog. As follows, they b,,ih measure exactly 

 the same in height, in length of head and around the chest. 

 Thunder is one and one-half inches longer from the occiput to 

 the insertion of the. tail. Emperor Fred is one-half inch larger 

 around the loins, anil has a tail three-fotirthsof an inch longer. 

 Thunder's body being slightly longer than that of Emperor 

 Fred, with a slightly more slender neck, gives him undoubt- 

 edly the look of being smaller. Now a dog that- is twenty-two 

 inches around the loins, with a height of only tweuty-"three 

 inche--, i- by no moans weak in the loius, and we might say 

 that he was. on the contrary, particularly strong there. But 

 let us lay aside all of these "incorrect and inexact objections 

 and compare the two dogs carefully, and see if an honest ex- 

 amination will not show where the prize ought to have gone 

 at Washington. I saw Thunder late in December. I examined 

 him carefully, and found that he certainly did have the red 

 mange at, that time and was woefully out of condition, so I 

 can readily believe that what the papers said of him was true; 

 that he was in no condition, so far as bench show form wont, 

 to compete with Emperor Fred at Washington. 



A-ide from condition. Thunder is much better in head and 

 neck than Fred. Stonehenge allows thirty points bore, and 

 Thunder would be about Six ahead. Thuuder is slightly better 

 in chest, but Fred is slightly better in loin, being a t.rifleshorter 

 here, and as these are both Important parts, we will let one. 

 offset the other. Tn hindquarters, including the back, and 

 notwithstanding it. Thunder would be about two ahead out 

 of fifteen points. In flag and texture of coat. Emperor Fred 

 would be about live out of ten points ahead. In color we will 

 make no discrimination, since both are fair. In symmetry and 

 quality Thunder is at least one out of five ahead. Now give 

 ten to tifteen points for bench show conditions, and anv one 

 can readily see that a dog in line condition, as Rmperor" Fred 

 was. pitted against one in poor or absolutely bad condition, 

 as Thunder was said to have been, and although the (login 

 poor condition can beat the other ou poinos, yet so close are 

 the\ together that if Emperor Fred is in much the best con- 

 dition, he is sun- to win. Now if we carry this comparison a 

 little further, perhaps we can answer the question of a cor- 

 re-pondent ("Maltravers." if I remember rightly), who won- 

 ders why it is that at one show a dog of one type wins and at 

 another a dog of another tvpe gets the prize. 



Let us come to New York. Emperor l"red and Thunder 

 were much more equal as to condition, and Major Taylor 

 thought Thunder a little superior, and then justly compared 

 him very carefully with liantagenet. In head and neck, out 

 of thirty points Thunder could take two; in shoulders, 'fore 

 I--.- ,md chest, Plantagenet could take five out of fifteen ; in 

 bin k. including loin, quarter and stifles. Thunder could take 

 live 0111 01 fifteen; in feet, elbows and hocks. Plantagent could 

 take throe; in flag and tail both are bad: in texture and 

 feather of coat. Plantagenet could take two out of five; in 

 color, six; iu symmetry and quality. Thunder eouid take three 

 out of five. In bench show condition Plantagenet won, and 

 accordingly took the blue, ribbon. Point, judging with its 

 acknowledged limitation for personal opinions, is all that is 

 necessary to decide such, cases, without trying to sustain a 

 decision by niakhig statements which are not exactly true, 

 and when a person speaks <if so capital a setter as Thunder is 

 as "such a Specimen of a setter," implying that ho is not a good 

 setter, we can only feel sorry that the inclement in this case is 



1 judges of 



St. 



ized 



inh. 



ich sho 



ity, 



the old 



country, and Major Piatt, who certainly knows a good deal 

 about setters, may be judge. But why do I sav this: Simply, 

 then, because in my estimation, Thunder is good all overas well 

 as good looking, except in fore legs, coat and tail. His head is 

 well earned, nook well set upon the body, and most of the 

 outlines of his body very harmonious. He might be alitt.1- 

 more slender, that is, not quite so bulky in neck, an inch 

 taller, and a fraction shorter in loin. In regard to chest, 

 Thunder is rather thick-chested, but neither on the bench or 

 in the field is that so serious a fault us some would like to make 

 out. A thick chest does not ye-c 66, that is, in and of itself , in- 

 dicate lack of speed in an animal, or clumsiness, and much 

 less a luck of endurance. Look atthe Pen-heron horses, strong, 

 closely built, broad-chested animals, v et almost universally 

 quick'aud fast. But it is 1 rue that, a 'thick chest is apt to be 

 the accompaniment of a rolling unpleasant gait, although the 

 worst movement I ever saw of the fore legs of a dog was in a 

 thin, -bested animal. It is also true that most thiofe-ohested 

 dogs have more or less crooked or in-bent fore legs, and while 

 iu nil probability a crook of the fore leg is of no practical dis- 

 advantage iu the field, yet it is not particularly beautiful in a 

 setter. For the mast graceful motion in Held work, then, as 

 well as for case of motion and good contour of leg, it is bettor 

 to have a chest not verv thick, but pi-.-ttv deep, and so con- 

 structed that the long, sloping shoulder blades mav have 

 plenty of chance lor five play. Thunder is. faulty, then, where? 

 In coat and tail, two of the very ieasi. import ant points, ex- 

 cepting color, in a setter, and as for chest cud fore leirs, if they 

 are deformed -1 as to prevent hard and constant work in the 

 Held, 11 is bad, if not. then it is gjmply a question of opinion. 

 Some like a race horse ; the majority ot men, however, prefer 

 a well-proportioned, strong, enduring horse, that is of use for 

 other purposes than thai of being used solely upon the 

 "track" Other things being equal, however, crooked fore 

 legs are not to bo es(>eeially chosen in or for a setter. 



Now let us look at the following as "dictatorial" assertions 

 and needless If not entirely untrue accusations against judges. 



