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FOREST AND STREAM. 



[Sept. 27, 1888. 



St like the flaunting of a wot rag. I hold that this 

 urliiK, lintp. wet-raggisli, lengthy sort of a tail is 

 ■ «■ ' nt Cauda] appendage for a well-bred setter to 

 obtideinn it emphatically. And I fail bo recall a 

 • ■ ,- difficult to recall all. so louc atro) of 

 i, which enjoyed the aistinguished h< 



- ollist 



ivhen I x 

 of 5 



g. Mi. Hi. 

 il Sailor— v. 

 ondcriullv 



judgiagriag, I 

 carry* viz . 

 stiff and rigid, 

 racks and ueis 

 they may be ii 

 bench show to 

 aroiuulthut.ru. 

 ill;.', a dog name 

 illy and w 

 t.'.:' Sailor in 

 !mu. i ii tt picture, and that s 

 abomination in mv sight, ac 

 benge'' can rail the dog as ho 

 atrociouslj uciv. tnen .-ill I bat 

 ordinary faculty for src n: inj* . 

 in animals, A.nd thai pictu 

 Idstone, Mr. Rice refers to. G 

 of a sell or. Wby, id my eyes, 

 al in. \,-i-. i.ad .m 1 front". 

 Ii Mr. Hie- liu-s i!i.-s-i.i.-t.-irr- 

 the Ami-lira. i Setter in fdetoni 



styliSh 



Utlfold- 



nd that 



HI/.I.I tO 



Again let me remind Mr. Rice that he presumed a great | 

 ' undertook to censure in so rough a manner two 

 ir offending correspondents, and presumption is 

 ed daughter of ignorance. I know now the full 

 power of Mr. Rice's Addisonian prose. The 

 iage of that effort of the Oth of September— its 

 liors. Mi.- nlavs of fancy, and the gleams of wit, 

 id there, over the surges of its 



I... 



the Ii 



1 the breake, 



ire apt to think it 

 (lioness from hil 

 ivho felt the cluisti 



lenaud ill-bred look- 

 ■ Bevan's Blanche in 

 ! What a caricature 



mou 



i I'.. 



If Mr. 



at those of Mr Bartram's pointers 

 Dalaiel. or the picture m She settej 

 and :i pointer there, too, -whose nan 

 lievo. If he wants to look at a poor 

 rather a picture oi .. po..i'-!ooking poi 

 Don iu Dalziel. If that is not aboi 

 ing fellow then my eyes woefully det 

 i picture of an ugly looking I..t 



appearance of -. 

 field spaniel and a noodle, let 1 

 Sam in Dalziel also! But, perl 

 feet'' specimen-, because you 

 them. Piotures, hpwever, Belt! 

 They either flatter too much 

 tice to the dca like Don's o'i San 



Let me assure your readers, J 

 to find fault, as Mr. "Rico stau 

 vi.io.i-, manner," I want tu 

 phatically, where fault exists, b 

 ing pride— on which Yankee Dc 

 in seeing olii d. ^.- matchless m I 

 s'li-v ii -1.1 ipialiii. -atioiis. It is tin 

 writ" as 1 do. Is it not a pardo 

 cauo.01 re uedy evils with kid g] 

 got to take off the gloves ana 

 I...'..- got to attack in force, or.' 

 theHag of error flaunting unch. 



1 don't imagine any reasonab 

 may have been pronounced far 

 in yonr paper, audio other joa 

 1 believe he is glad to have the s 

 future will look more to fitnes 

 than he eve has before. Ian 

 beateri" from bij course bv cha 



a N'.'. 



like Croxteth's, or do iujus- 



Ir. Editor, that I do not desire 

 •s it. in an "unreasonable or 

 find fault earnestly and em- 

 a pride, a tow 



sits enthroned 



state - 



ar, and se. 

 ivhosc dog 



•easonnbleness" or 

 ;timie to speak uf 



ricaV in this mi 

 long ami too uat 

 great depth, loins 

 power— more easily 

 seemed to lie too t 

 hip— and nearly evei 

 as the proper correct 

 trical " in so far as 

 of the opinion that n 

 as Mi-. Rice tries to 



hounds and deerhoum 

 as en . t behind as in f 

 Squatting. Yon area 

 trail ol the Irish woll 



for' 

 Of S|. 



dogsBl 

 having 



u I 



ti 



us try to malic the dog is all respects a 

 rail as a joy and a servant, 

 unk I know -symmetry" when I see it, 

 is. which he calls ".symmetrical," found 

 ,cs. Well, perhaps I do not. Certainly 

 -. Rice quotes may lie possessed of urea't 

 v. were three or four of those he o i.e - 

 serves me right, were "symmet- 

 L-h that they showed heads too 

 •ow (or lean), chests of no very 

 rather slack, evincing a want of 

 xplained, perhaps, by saying that there 

 uch distance between the ribs and the 

 one showing bad tails. Now. inasmuch 

 ai of these several parts was '-s.iiiiiic- 

 gliuoss and faultiiiess is concerned, I am 

 , ; idea of "symmetry'' is notso far wrong 

 lake it out. Mr. Rice cannot force me 

 r Laverueks— that is, the larger prop. u- 

 seen. 1 see no reason . vet-certainly no 

 iven — to cause me. to modify or change 

 nation of those at the New York show 

 iroughas that of Mr. Mice, because I did 

 meats, or have more than two or three 

 their boxes for my special purpose. I 

 the ring. But what I saw is indelibly 

 Hypercritical" if vou please, those dug* 

 kandard "in my mind's eye" Mr. 

 wean what he says, when he writes: 

 ■ lii'id is due in a dog to a good bending 

 •joint" And then invites my attention 

 oris picture. Oh, no, Mr. Rice, the 

 I referred to, is not caused bv the 

 be st i II- joint. There are niany'grey- 

 ls having well-bent stifles, which stand 

 ilyfree from "drooping'' or 

 ji pictures, look at the por- 

 i.alziel. There are bent stifles 

 g dug' Look at the picture 

 •u; stifles for you. But these 

 p. The defect I allude to, as 

 •uliar carriage of 



-ed— bn 



j then 



due pos 



tic g] ..and. as 1 adi 

 stifle-joint, as well 

 decrlioiiinl. Now a 



ess in those 1 ot 



seek, I., in stifle-joints, So your charge, 

 the Quotation, of Inconsistency, falls. to 

 ocate a good bending of the leg at the 

 n setter and poiutur as in greyhound ox 



for the in- breeding. No. I am not "so 

 ling" as to know that it solidifies a strain 



correspondent puts it) when too much 

 limited BXtent. 1 grant, that it refines a 



:1 the 

 Its very brill'inncv de- 



Toleilo blade all dlUnas- 



slories of the gods, you 

 ne glittering in naked 

 S thankful, those of us 

 ; from au embroidered 

 glove, instead of a stalwart stroke from a mailed list. 



>l- ideas Of a typical setter are not In consonance with those 

 of Mr. Bice. He" gives his with tin? following prelude: "But 

 Eh order thai he may gee that I, even I, am not ready to fall 

 prone and worship any four-logged animal, I will say that my 

 idea of au English setter is something like the following," 

 which he proceeds to cive. Modest, that "oven I" part of it. 

 He wants a head and neck like I'htuider's. ears like some other 

 dog, eyes like another, chest like another, forelegs, feet and 



1 seek a setter; Mr. Editor, something like the following de- 

 scription: The head to be about medium as far as leanness 

 goes, and not too long. I do not like your extremely narrow 

 ami extremely long beads, nor too prominent an occiput. 

 Especially do 1 dislike too great length, combined with sharp- 

 iie.-s. from the indentation or dip below the eyes to the end 

 oi nose. Itgic-sa snip.--,- appearance. I want the iaws to 

 meet evenly, the upper not to overlap the under. The nose 

 to be broad, and black preferred in color, rather than a Ileshv 

 ime. I'.ut if not black, the darker the liver colo'r 

 the better to my eyes. The nose to be raised 

 scarcely at all: not as much as is that uf Countess 

 in ••Stonelieiigc." I think this very ugly. If I remember 

 aright Prince's .;u's-ent me insiz.-. They should beset down 

 low on the head. But i don't want any fringe to hang down 

 two or three inches below the leather. Not more than an 

 iuch below should it come, in mv opinion. 



he cars. Aud the 

 mil. I have the very slighest wave. The eyes should bo 

 large, lumiuous. aud speaking to you in their eloquent 

 with love and confidence. They should be lit up with 

 Yellow eyes I dislike. A pair of white eyes in a liver- 

 .lored dog at t Lie New York bench show were an abomina- 

 tion. Yet that dog. I believe, captured a prize! The neck 

 slioulda eh more, and belongertliauthatin the picture of Sam 

 in Dalziel. Shoulders with a backward slope, with plenty of 

 muscle in them. Not straight shoulders, such as 1 have seen 

 in many otherwise good dogs. You lose speed then. The 

 he-i should be of medium width. A very narrow chest is 

 unpleasant to look at. and gives a dog a leggy appearance. 

 Narrow-chested dogs cannot stav from "morn to dewy eve," 

 1 don't can: how fast they may be for a "spurt." It should 

 uot be too wide, as too great roundness and width cause a 

 dog's elbows to stand oiit. Mr. Laverack (see his book) ad- 

 vised a wide chest. The chest should have great depth, if 

 you want euduranoe, and from the backbone the ribs ought 

 to be well sprung, 



hair ! 

 brow 



silent 

 trust. 



The forelegs should 

 not too long. Feet lis 

 —not turned out. or "spl 

 corated with too 



tin 



Fou 



• ii \ 



..-he 



at that, whi 



;h I ha 



hip. Loins 

 aud graceft 

 •'well bent.' 



lake i 



hould 



il arel 



Hoc 



ide 



I featlu 



very straight, and 

 plumb to the front 

 should uot be de- 

 J inches in length is 



ind 



looks 



■ too much 

 .ng as bone and 

 be close to the 



back si. . . 



The last rib ou^ht 



wide, strong as iron, and with a slight 

 Long, muscular thighs. Wide stifles, 



.vithout the. faintest approach to those 

 ol a eov.-. ana very muscular. Hip bones wide and "ragged." 

 TJie tail should be short (rather than have a dog's tail" long 

 and limp. I would abbreviate it. a joint or two), earned as 

 straight as possible, rather low when at work afield, the 

 feather not very heavy, say not over three inohesln leugth. 

 Tail tapering gradually to its tip. I want to see no plume, or 

 broad, floppy flag on any setter of mine. I want to see a 

 good, well-carried tail as well usa good head. The coat should 

 be line, aud glossv as satin. 



For color I prefer red aud white, a brilliant Irish red Failing 

 to get tlus, orange and white next fiuds my favor. No ticks. 

 Next lemon and white. I have never admired tne "blue 

 belton" color, or black and white, in largo patches. Do not like 

 black and white with tan. and detest liver color in a setter. 

 This mav be a -'whim," but I am merely giving my "ideas of 

 what a setter should be." The. dog I seek should be au elegant, 

 stylish, gamy looking fellow, up-standing like a thoroughbred 

 stallion, no slinking or slouching motion uehiud. He ought to 

 hunt with his head high, tail on a liue with his back, but a 

 trifle lower, rather than aloft in air. He should be docile, 



fntle. obedient, brave, allcctiouate. This is the setter, Mr. 

 litor. I covet. Is mv standard far wrong? 



Stcabt Taylor. 

 BoirtB Hampton. L. I., Sept. 22, 1888. 



EASTERN FIELD TRIALS CLUB. -Then 

 neeting of the Board of Governors of the Eai 

 Club at Dolmonico's on Mon lay evening. Sept. mbcr :.V.. The 

 treasurer's report showed a balance on hand of >l.l«C, with no 

 liabilities. It was voted .hat the Breeders' Cup in the " 

 hereafter should u 



aluable special 



particulars will be given as soon as the eon I he 



manner of bestowal. It was voted that no dog be allowed to 

 compete iu the coming trials who shall be. hunted alter Octo- 

 ber IS within a radius of eight miles from High Point. The 

 following-named gentlemen were elected as members: Messrs, 

 Charles A. Heckscher, New York; O. "W. Bonner, Brooklyn; 

 S. h. Boggs, Pittsburgh, Pa. ; Bayard Thaver and Eugene 

 Thayer, Lancaster, Mass. 



CORRECTIONS.— Mr. L. Sinister, Jr., writes that in the 

 list of names claimed published last week, that Chester T. and 

 lindane, should road Chesten T. aud Dudene. It is very an- 

 noying to seo one's name, or that of one's dog mangled bj- the 

 printer, and to avoid this we, would suggest that ail names be 

 written with capital letters. 



ST. JOHN DOG SHOW.— There will be a bench show of 

 dogs in connection with the Dominion Exhibition to be held at 

 St. John, N. B., Octobei ^ to 18; 



BANG BANG.— The Westminster Kennel Club will shortly 

 send Bang Ban^ to Capt. McMurdo, who will prepare I -.in. for 

 the coming field trials. 



KENNEL NOTES. 



NOTICE TO CORRESPON'DKNTS. 

 Kennel notes are inserted in this column free of charge. To insure 

 publication of notes, correspondents MUST (1IVI3 tbe Eollou mg par- 

 ticulars of eaclt uiiiiiHtl: 



1. Color. (J. Name aud residence ol owner, 



2. Brood. buyer or seller. 



3. sitoc. 7. Sire, with Lis -ire an. 1 dam. 

 A. Age. or S. Owner of she. 



5. Date of birth, of breeding or 9. Dam, with her she and dam. 

 of death. 10. Owner of dual. 



must be plainly written. Communication on ..me side of 



paper only. 



white and tai 

 .Sallu. iSv : 



bitch, by Pat 

 Pearl. Bj 



signed with writer's 



NAME8 CL.A.IMEU. 

 (if haul of tin* column. 



. Hairy D. Hubbard. Olatlio. Kan., for white 

 ■r dog. whelped April 3, IBS8, by Spurt (Nick— 



T. Brownell. Nev. H.-.if..r.l. Mn>s.. for black. 



letter dog (it. Elmo- Di eheSS), 



f. Bronmell. New Be Iford. .Miss , for foxhound 



Mr. 



.eh, whelped July 

 Princess). 



.!/»(( and YolanSe. By Mr. Walter Gibb. New Yorl;. for black and 

 tan Go. don scUerdus and bitch, whelped May 17,1683 CDokeCf Lo- 

 cust Valley- -Jennie). 



BRED. 



t&~ See Instructions at head of thin column. 



Peg—Tolcla. Mr. l: Westlake's lemon and white pointer bitch Peg 

 .Van.Iev..rt's Dor.-Iaiek. to Mr. Geo. \V. Fisher's icicle . A.K.K. S3f, 



Sept. it. 



Loil.i Clare- Don. Mr. G. Noble's (Savannah, Ha.) black cocker 

 spaniel bitch Lady Clare (Rubin — Dora) to his Dan .N.-d Rtsna), 



Maud S.—Sefton Mr. E. 0. Alden's (Dedhnm. Massi black and 

 white pointer 'bitch Maud S. .Pete. Jr. -Kale, to .Messrs. J. C. & A. 

 I! Sharp's champion Seiton (A.K.K. Kill). 



r, '„•„,: .sworn. Messrs. J. . . « A. It. Sharp's iT, union. Mass.. 



pointer bitch Cre.uorue iA.K.K. 01) to their champion Seftou . A.K.K. 



M..« 

 \.K K. 



-. J. F. K. Schaef. ■!•' 



as "M. M. N." ! 

 port further pr 

 couraging natu 

 who is as an: 

 establishment . 

 Of Dr. Twadd. 

 and will no d. 

 have, already he 



know thai we can .c-iiraielv measure the merit* of these two | 

 breeds, as represented by two excellent spivim-ii-. 1 have 

 very tilth: doubt of 1 In: result, but mv heart l-.-t d.-siiv is for 

 M..'bs! dog to wear the honors of eompiesl, M matter which. 

 Should rim trial occur, it can be brought to "■ successful ter- 

 minal.;. m without my pre- .• 



ii ranitj is il fie bottom ol Mr. tMce'j article, Ma 



niuit remember, that that is the quicksand of all rsasou. 



Up to 



tim^do aU P iu P tlieir l power V lo help our 

 t least a few who are striving hard to 

 estaiilishmsnt of this club, and do not 

 succeed. "Keep the ball a rolling," 

 a f.-w weeks I expect to be able to re- 

 ,-luch I have no doubt will be of an cu- 

 te, in. ,1 friend, Mr. W, II. Asbbnrner, 

 willing as any oue to bring about the 

 ib, has informed me of the willingness 

 t us. He is certainly a valuable ally, 

 e us his opinion at an early data We 

 . n Mr. Elmore. The organization of the 

 :iub will promote mt -re-; in them at Ik-ucIi shows, and will 

 bring about the (lav when they will be iu the foremost ranks 

 of sporting dogs, especially in the Eastern States, where the 

 quail is becoming extinct and setters and pointers useless, ex- 

 cept, as companions, but the rabbits will be with us long after 

 the mellow whistle of Hob White has ceased to be heard. As 

 a companion aud house dog the beagle is far superior to other 

 sporting dogs.— Razor. 



PUGS AND ST. BERNARDS AT MANCHESTER.- 

 Boston, Mass., Sept. 11 -Editor Forest and Stream: In your 

 issue of the 1-ith inst . the report of the Manchester dog show, 

 class (1, rough-coated St, Bernard bitches, gives first prize to J. 

 H Long's Lulu, and hjhjh com. to Ur. G. B. Sawtelle's Una, 

 The names arc m. solacd. Dr, G.B. Sawtelle's Una won 1st. 

 an I .i. II. I.ou-'s Lulu got high com.— Dr. G. Walton, Judge. 

 Lancaster, Mass., Sept. IS —Will you kiudlv correct an item 

 iu the prize list of the bench show at Manchester, N. H. In- 

 stead of the pugs Toots aud Treasure, who stayed at home, I 

 sent Tantrums (AK.fi. WO), who won 1st in puppv class, and 

 Puck (A.K.R. ~".)i) who won id.— Ansa H. Whitnkv. 



KHlc-Sirllao. M 

 iSaltns's Dash-Snlti 

 Daa (Berkley- Eatc), 



Prudence— B'ti-ri Itu-n/. Mr. Sidney Dillon Kiplev's .New Vork'i 

 lemon and while pointer been l'i iidonce .Rii-I. I'mch.-s. o, the 

 Westminster Kennel Club's imioilol bam- Dang, Sept. -'-' 



Doe— Chief. Mr .Max Wcnzel's (lloboken, N.J.) red Irish setter 

 hitch Djc to his Chief iA.K.K. Sin. 



Nora -Chief. .Jr. Mr. K. C.Colgate's red Irish setter bitch Nora 

 (Elcho— Nell) to Mr. Max Wenzel's Chief, Jr. 

 WHELPS. 



?$>'"' See (mttrucftons at load of ilu.i column. 



Lou. -Mr. 11. N. Munu's (New York) liver mid white poil.ter bitcti 

 Lo.i. Sept. 1, seven (four Uous), by Mr. R. 0, Cornell's Match tA K.lt. 

 210). 



i 



Bess. Mr. G. Noble's (Savannah, (M.) liver cocker spaui- 1 bitch 

 liess (Dan-Nellie .. Sept. I . se\ en (six (log? ), by Itomp (Colonel Stubbs 

 —Pansy u.) 



dllossa. Mr. li. Noble's .Savannah. Ga.i black cocker spaniel bitch 

 llloasy (Wildiur— Binl), Sept. M, six (three dogs), by hU Dan iNed— 

 Renal 



/)„„i/i //. Mr. W. Wotle's O'ilisburcli, Pa.i, mastiff bitch Dinah 

 II. (A.K.K. 13), Sept. 30, fourteen (eleven dogs), by bis Tiny. One 

 bitch since dead. 



Eileen. Mr. Elliot Smith's (New Yoiki pointer bitch Eileen 

 (A K.K. 337i. Sept. 17, seven (three dogs), by bis Don Juan (fK.R. 

 217. 



Daixy Deonc. Mr. Klliott Smith's iN'.'w York) imported (...inter 

 bio-h Daisy Deans, Sept. I7. seven (sbedogs) by the Westminster Ken- 

 nel Club's imported Bang Bang. 



Queen Stall. The Westminster ICennel Club's pointer bitch Queen 

 May s K I;. ;r... s pt. 17, nine (three dogsi. by their champion Seu- 

 sation (A.K R. 217). 



SALES. 

 «w we. instructions at head of this coh.mn. 



Black and tan liorden seller bitch. -Jy 4 years r.ld Donn.-'s 

 inoi-ue), by Mr. (.'has. T. Brownell. New liedford, .bns D ., to 

 rd Sliaw, sauie place. 



Black and tan Gordon seller bitch .Dash fly,, by Mr. 

 Srowuell, New Bedford, Mass., la Mr. Edgar Lewis, same 



White and liver Emdish setter dog. whelped duly ", 1870 

 (Niek— Countess), by Mr. Harry D. Hubbard. Dlalhe. Kan., to Mr. 

 James Lamasney. 



Watts- IComainewheljjs Red Irish w Iter dogs, whelped duly 30, 

 1888, by Mr. Go. T. Wells. Boston. Mass.. one to Mr. lle.ij Kdeertoo, 

 Newton Center. Mass., and one to Mr. Fred Whitney, Boston, Mass. 

 PRESENTATIONS. 



"AMERICAN KENNEL REGIST15K."— Entries for theOc- 



tober number of the American Kennel Register must be at 

 hand ou or before the first day of the month. 



Chas. 

 place 



l.mlr Be. 



. Bin. 



hitch, whelped Mav !(>, I8S3, 

 • f Louise 1 1'oiu lac- Judith), 

 V., to Mr. II. A. Saunders, 



South Norwalk. C't ; 



KENNEL MANAGEMENT. 

 t^~ No Notice Taken of Anonyinniw Correspondents. 



I. S. W„ Springvilic, N. Y.-Dress the foot with Unseed oil. 



Setter. Baltimore, Md.— Try carbolate of zinc, four grains to one 

 ounce of Hater. 



0. W, D., Lowell, Maw.— Your dog h.v distemper. Keep him in a 

 dry and well ventilated place, and feed h.m with strong mutton and 

 barley broth thickened with gelatine, 



I- w G Sunburv, Pa -Your doi is troubled with Indigestion. 

 Feed him moderate with plain loud with a little lime water in milk at 

 each meal. Give him plenty of exercise, but. always ufier his Food 

 has. had time lo digest. 



li Iff. \V.. New York.— The constipation of your do^- is probably 

 owing to the bom,: you have given him. The puivaloe- tnat you 

 have adminiso. r-.l alu i Have a tendency to produce uisteud 01 relieve 

 it Ojve plenty oi exercise and feed well cooked vegetables with an 

 occasional meal of raw liv^-r. 



(J. F. W , Palmyra, 0.— Give your bitch plenty ol exercise and a 

 diet of well cooked vegetables with million b-roih Wuei 

 lo whelp, give be.- a roomy shallow box for a In d. >vpii a plocr of old 

 carpet nailed closely to the bottom. This will probably prevent her 

 f i-oin lying upon tbe puppies. 



