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FOREST AND STREAM. 



IJAK, 



J. M. AVENT'S BLACK AND WHITE ENGLISH SETTER DOC " POARTER." 



i Second in E. F. T. C. Derby, an d divid ed Third Prize with -Pride of Dixie," Puppy Sweepstakes, Southern States Field Trials, 1888. 



dogs. Mr. Leavesley hid a live quail in a little, bush some dis- 

 tance from the dogs, which were then sent on toward it. Cap 

 soon found but would not point it. Ola coming up pointed 

 staunchly, even when the bird fluttered, but in poor style, tail 

 curved and low and head down. They were then taken up, 

 and Ola given the heat and second prize. Cap taking 

 under the rule. 



SUMMARY. 



ALL-AGED STAKES. 



Third annual trial of the Gilroy Rod and Gun Club, run Dee. 



IT, 1883, open to all setters and pointers owned on the Pacific 



slope. Three prizes, entrance so. Judge, H. D. Bartlett, Esq. 



of Oilroy. 



First Series. 

 E. H. Farmer's black and white setter bitch Queen iBelton II. 

 -Belle)- beat 

 Win. Hedeman's black and white setter dog Sport iBeltonll. 



L. G. Hortou's lemon and white setter dog Cap (Count War- 

 wick— Flora, native), beat 



.T. L, Niekle's black and white setter dog Duke (Joe— Queen). 



B. W. Paxton's black and white setter dog Romeo (Belton II. 

 -Nellie), brat 

 L», C. Wilkinson's red and white setter dog Ben (native). 



P. G. Anzar's black, white and tan setter bitch Ola (Count 

 Warwick— Leah), u bye. 



Second Series, 



Queen beat Ola. 



Cap beat Romeo. 



TIE FOR KIItsT PLACE. 



Queen beat Cap and won first prize. 



TIE FUR SECOND PLACE. 



01* beat Cap and wonsecond prize, Cap taking third. 

 PUPPY STAKES. 



JUNO AND FANXTE. 

 At 1 1 :W oil Tuesday the first brace of puppies was put down 

 between the last two' heats of the All-Aged Stake. Juno on 

 the Tight, handled by Mr. Leavesley; Fannie on the left, under 

 Air. Gilroy. Soon after being sent on a pair of birds flushed 

 wild before Mr. Gilroy, who" killed one. Fannie steady to 

 shot, Juno at Mr. Leavealer's heel, where she remained 

 through mostofthe heat. Fannie is a ren pre bj oa i m 



erea 



nade 



The bird soon flushed, Mr. Gilrov winging it, both bitches 

 standing to shot. Ordered on, Juno ran a little to left and 

 flushed a bird, chasing it. Fannie, sent to retrieve the winged 

 bird, soon found and pointed, holding her point until the bird 

 ran, when she retrieved it nicely. Passing on, Mr. Gilroy put 

 a bird out from sage brush and killed, both bitches steady, 

 Juno, sent to retrieve, pointed dead uncertainly and retrieved 

 very well. They were ordered up at 12:05 and Fannie given 

 the heal. 



MAUDE AND BELLE. 



At 3:15 Maude, a Gordon-English setter bitch, under Mr. 

 Lea\ esley's tare, on the right, and Belle, a nice little smooth- 

 coated bitch, under Mr. Gilroy, were started. Maude 

 ■ nu< rtering f airlv. Belle doing nothing. After walking a half 

 mile in ferns, Mr. Leavesley- kicked up and missed a bird. 

 both bitches breaking shot and Belle chasing. She was called 

 in. and the handlers moving on, put up another quail, both 

 bitches bi. -aking v.-;,-,- ,-, >,vcl birds weresueee-.i'ullv Hushed 

 and ,hof at. the bitches breaking shot each time. Maude stop 

 ping to order only. Coming down the hillside a bird was 

 tilled which Belle retrieved by sight nicely, and a moment 

 after another was shot which fell two hundred yards away, 

 beyond a fence, which Mamie retrieved. A live quail was 

 then hidden and the brace sent twit, but neither would point, 

 and at 1:05 they were ordered up, Maude getting- the heat. 



WEDNESDAY. 



CAP AND MARX, 

 i in Wednesday morning new ground was chosen about eight- 

 miles east of Gilroy, on the ranch of Mr. Laird. Birds were 

 scarcer here than on Tuesday, and 00 satisfactory work was 

 done, except in the heat between Cap and Fannie. The run- 

 ning brace, Gap, handled by Mr. Horton, and Mars 

 by Mr. E. H. Farmer, but handled by Mr, Geo. Hollowav. 



were cast off at 10:52, Soon after starting the dogs, running 

 down into a little gulch, flushed a bird, both unsteady, and 

 several miles were then walked before meeting 

 game, Cap showing good speed and style and 

 fair obedience, Marx not so fast and very rank, 

 ranging in half the time from hehind his "handler 

 At last in heavy chemisal a few birds were, located and fol- 

 lowed up, Marx flushing one from a little clump of bushes 

 about an old log and not standing to wing. Passing on through 

 a fence Mr. Holloway killed a bird which flew from a tree 

 top, Marx breaking shot and retrieving nicelv. Moving on 

 through chemisal a bird rose and was missed by Mr. Horton 

 and afterward killed by Mr. Holloway. both dogs breaking 

 shot despite loud orders from the handlers. Cap retrieving 

 nicely, Another quail was then put up, Horton killing, both 

 dogs standing to order. At PJ:i;t they were retired. Cap win- 

 ning the heat. 



HOSE, A BYE. 



Mr. C. M. Owen's black Gordon-English setter bitch Rose was 

 the odd dog in the drawing, and had a bye. 

 FANNIE AND ROSE. 



Ar 12:58, alter luncheon, Fannie, uuder Mr. Leavesley, and 

 Rose, handled by Mr. Gilroy, ran the first, heat of the second 

 series. Both worked in fairly good style but slowly. Each 

 made a flush across wind, and neither pointed. Bach chased 

 once. At 1:27 the brace was ordered up and decision reserved 

 until after the next heat, when Fannie was given the heat. 



MAUDE AND CAP. 



The second heat of the second series began at 1 :30. The. dogs 

 under the same handlers as when they ran before. Soon Mr. 

 Gilroy killed a bird from a tree, Cap dropping to word, Maude 

 unsteady. Maude retrieved fairly well. Cap made game in a 

 little gulch, taut the quail flushed wild, Mr. Gilroy killing. 

 Both steady to word. Cap retrieving nicely. At 1 :50 Cap was 

 given the heat. 



CAP AMP FANNIE. 



At 3 P. M. these dogs were cast off to run for first prize' 

 They worked immediately toward a steep chemisal-covered 

 bluff, and each pointed a single bird staunchly. Mr. Horton 

 put up his bird, missing. Cap si eady to wing aiid shot, Fannie 

 wavering when her bird rose. Moving across the face of the 

 bluff two birds were flushed, both dogs steady, and thereafter 

 each stood to wing under two flushed birds. "At 3:82 Cap was 

 given the heat and first prize. 



FANNIE AND MAUDE. 



'I his brace was worked on a hidden live quail, Fannie point- 

 ing well. Maude refusing either to point or back, Fannie was 



.nd Rosen: 

 could, in 1 

 r third pri 



the hidden quail, the judge 

 Jason, compete with Maude, 



SUMMARY. 

 PUPPY STAKE. 



Third annual trials of the Gilroy Rod and Gun Club, run at 



Gilroy, Dec. 18, 10, 1883. Open' to all setters and pointers 

 whelped on or after Jan. lot the year preceding the trials. 

 Three prizes; entrance *5: judge. II. D. Bartlett. Esq.. Gilroy 

 Oal, 



first Series. 



C. V. B. Kaeding's black, white and tan setter bitch Fannie, 

 ID months iTraylor's Fred— Locau's Gypsev) brat 



J. H. Brock's black ;.n:l ' bin. -, n-,..,~ij r"._-l i hum. :.'•' -p- 



iMaeGregor— Lulu Laverack). 



■I. M. Dona line's black and tan Gordon-English setter larch 

 Maude, 'i:i months (Joe— Juno) brat 



John Paine's black and tan bitch Belle. 23 months. 



L. G. Hortou's lemon and white setter dog Cap, :11 months 

 (Count Warwick— Flora, native) brat 



E. H. Farmers black and white setter dog Marx, 20 months 

 (Joe— Queen), 



C. M. Owen's black Gordon- English setter hitch Rose (Joe- 

 Juno) a bye. 



Second Series, 



Fannie beat Rose. 



Cap beat Maude. 



TIE FOR MUST PLACE, 



Cap beat Fannie and won first prize. 



ME FOB SECOND PLACE. 



Fannie beat Maude and won second prize, Maude taking 

 third. Krahcisoo: 



POINTERS vs. SETTERS. 



Editor Forest and Stream: 



In your issue of the lith inst. an article appears, headed 

 "Pointers aim S< ■ . ' ; i ■. ■ m ■ , v i, .,,.,,,, e - 



play, is likely to lead many of your readers to the conclusion 

 that setters ai^ superior to pointers. This I don't believe 

 hence my intrusion on your valuable space. 



I have had considerable experience with both breeds, and I 

 honestly think, for all shooting, the pointer is the most useful 

 dog. Even in field trial work, which does not test, all the 

 powers of a dog, I am satisfied that when fairly n 

 at. a given number of contests, the pointer will hold his own 

 against the setter. The late High Point trials wa, the only 

 place, I believe, where the breed of .,-■•■ ■ , -■.,,. ,i ; . 

 near as largely represented as the', .[mil thai 



the former did not show up as well as the latter as a el.,- on 

 that occasion, but I also think I know the reason whv they 

 did not, because in their class the be-t pointers were unfor- 

 tunately drawn against the poorest ones generally , and you 

 know a dog's work will not show so well against an opponent 

 that is very much bis inferior as against one nearly bis equal lu 

 the first se'ries of beats Don, the best field pointer we know'of. 

 ran against Lord Sefton. a dog of little more than one season's 



experience. LallaRookh, abiieh , ., .n- r .;,., ,g ,,,„k a, 



good as ever I witnessed, ran against Bill, a very ordinary 

 dog. Bang Bang, a dog of grand natural ability, who only 

 wants more, experience on game to make him a rattler, ran 

 against Don Juan, a dog who although a tip top all day killing 

 dog, is far away from a held trial dog. Croxteth, who on a 

 j previous occasion made it hot for one of the winners of this 

 the greatest contest of all, was all off and beaten by a bitch 

 of three weeks' experience on game. How different was the 

 work of Don in his heat with Gath to what it appeared against 

 Sefton, or the work of Lalla Kookh a- ■>■. it ,. i; ;; ,,g ... 

 Donner J., to what it appealed against Christmas BUI. On 



the other hand, the setters wen: most fi>r:uuai •• , ing drawn 



to the very best advantage for a good show-in" G-irrie'.i 

 against Gus Bondhti, London against Lady Fa.vn-, I'ialh against 

 Grouse Dale, etc. I fully agree with vou that the drawing of 

 setters and pointers separately in a stake is unfair to both, 

 and believe it was particularly untortunate this time for the 

 pointers. 1 hope in future to see the drawing promiscuous. 



Even if setters had beaten pointers in proportion to their 

 i ' ■ mtat mal held trials in this country, and their 

 far higher cultivation of late years, it would onh have proven 

 them better for field trial work alone. The held 1 rial d, >es tl , ,t, 

 pretend to test endurance, victory in a short spun at a held 

 trial might turn to defeat in a whole day's work on r.iairie 

 chickens in August, or a day on quail in North Carolina in 

 October, or on woodcock in July: which I believe a pointer is 

 naturally better adapted to stand than a setter. But the 

 setters have -not beaten the pointeis in proportion to their 

 itages of numbers, improvements, etc. Last vsar at 

 High Point, out of five pointers against five times as many 

 setters in the all-aged stake, two of the former came in 

 winners and one was withdrawn !,, ii,,- 1 ; ,-i, v , of the same 

 meeting, lean only remember li.ni-j~.ii.lo-, and three came 

 in winners of first, 'second and divided thud m [/.■■-. J ion beat 

 all the setters at the chicken trials, which 1 believe to 

 have been the nearest to a test of endurance of any field trial 

 I ever heard of, owing to the heat and scarcity of birds. 



The setter Gath I believe to be the best of his breed in this 

 country and Don the best pointer— in the held. Gath only 

 beat Don by the merest trifle, and. judging from tne dogs' 

 looks, I am inclined to think that in a. six -. in,' i ,..•.■ i mil 

 would be in the pointer's favor. It is claimed tor I. -•;:•■ 



1 l1 ii-. coat protects him in cover. My experience lead- me 

 to think the opposite; his long hair catches briers, burrs and 

 other prickers that do nol U ~ the pomt-r, there- 



fore I claim that the setter's long hair is more, injury than 

 service to him in this way. It is certainly a burden to him 

 both in the field and the kennel in i and when 



running, at least, he needs no protection from cold, so the 

 value of his coat in winter does not offset the inconvenience 

 of it in summer time. I never saw a place vet that I could 

 send a setter but I coukTalso send a pointer.' and 1 have never 

 known the latter to receive any more, if as much, in-Jury from 

 bad cover as the former. 



I believe the pointer is easier to break, easier to handle and 

 will retain his training better than the setter. I believe a 

 pointer will commence to hunt earlier and continue useful to 

 a greater age than the setter, and to show my earnestness in 

 this belief, 1 will hunt my old pointer bitch Grace, now m her 

 thirteenth year, against any setter bitch in America of the 



