24 ILLINOIS STATE DAIRYMEN's ASSOCIATION. 



E. H. Seward thought, as to muck, it might not pay 

 for the first year, but for a term of years it would cer- 

 tainly pay. 



J. R. McLean, if not for a bad cold, could " knock the 

 socks " off from Buell and Seward. He did not blame 

 Seward for drawing out his " muck holes," but he did not 

 believe there was any pay in it. Clover and timothy are 

 natural to our soil. We did not as a rule use seed enough. 

 He used to use his thumb and finger to scatter the seed, but 

 now his son runs the farm and he takes a whole handfuL 

 Red-top is not fit for anything ; cows can't eat it — they 

 would require a new set of teeth each year. Cannot rely 

 upon it in mid-summer ; will not stand drought. 



D. C. ScoFiELD : How is it for hay ? 



McLean : It is poor for anything. He knew of one 

 piece of land in the East which had produced hay for 38 

 years, and when he had last saw the hay it stood as high as 

 his chin — this was natural seeding, of mixed grasses. 



D. C. ScoFiELD inquired as to the proper time to cut 

 timothy for hay — whether in the blossom or seed. 



McLean did not admit that in the blossom to be the 

 best time ; thought a little riper to be the best time. 



• 



C. C. Buell inquired if any dairyman had any experi- 

 ence with browse as feed for dairy cows. None had. 



E. H. Seward : Had never kept a record of the fall- 

 ing off of tame grasses to a normal condition. This could 

 only be determined by a record for a period of years. 



A member asked McLean as to the best time to cut 

 hay to produce the most milk. 



