1^5 ILLINOIS STATE DAIRYMEN'S ASSOCIATION. 



some of that money in getting nearer to the farmer; nearer to the milk 

 producer by sending and paying per diem to go to the Farmers' Insti- 

 tutes, when we could get more support doing like they do in Wisconsin 

 and send out butter and cheese instructors to call meetings, school house 

 meetings at the factories and thus get nearer to the farmers. There is 

 need of it. We have with us today Mr. Carpenter, and he is sent out to 

 talk to the farmers to tell them to take better care of the milk, and I 

 have pleaded with the officers of this Association to turn their atten- 

 tion in that direction. 



Mr. Harvey: You spDke about taking back water to wash the cans. 

 In a milk wagon, the kind we use in Oswego, the wagon is full, ."0 to 40 

 cans, that come from about 8, 10 or 12 miles, and we cannot do that. 

 Sometimes they are washed with steam at the factory, but we have to 

 fill them up with skim milk to take back. How or where they are washed 

 when they get home is a mystery, but the great lack is in the washing 

 of cans. 



Mr. Curler: Those loads that you speak of, perhaps they don't get 

 home until the middle of the afternoon. The women are through with 

 their work at noon. At night the men come up to milk, skim milk is in 

 the cans. They dump the skim milk in the swill barrel and take those 

 cans and put in a pailful of cold water and turn it out and then that is all 

 the washing they get. 



Mr. Aderhold: We not only speak of the mistakes and care of milk 

 and the results, but also the mistakes in the management of factories and 

 the result. We get at both sides. We got the farmers and cheesemakers 

 right there. We don't speak in a fault-finding way; no offense at all 

 felt; go about it and try to make the farmers understand that the milk 

 producer has got to pay for all the mistakes, no matter where they are 

 made in the long run, and that helps to get them interested. 



Mr. Monrad: Can you talk to a factory man that keeps his factory 

 dirty and make him feel good. 



A. Yes sir and before his patrons. He may not feel good, but he 

 will not be offended. 



