ILLINOIS STATE DAIRYMEN'S ASSOCIATION. 



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Mr. Gurler: I don't agree with you, Mr, Stewart, about it being; 

 unhealthy. I think if our young people saw them on the street, 1 think 

 it would be a benefit instead of a disgrace. I don't see why we should, 

 hide them on account of their wrong doing. I can't see it in that way.. 



Mr. Stewart: In all my experience in life, where people were exe- 

 cuted, where they cut their heads off, or hang them or torture them, it 

 is my idea the people have gone down and backwards and the less your 

 people can see of it the better. No punishment of mankind ought to be 

 done in public, or allow the public to see it; it is not a benefit to the- 

 people. This putting them to a whipping post should be put away and. 

 done in secret. You can't make them better by seeing people punished in: 

 that way. 



Mr. Long: It seems to me the way this should be done, whether 

 taken out in gangs or otherwise, is a matter of detail we don't recommend 

 at all. Merely that they should be used, and not how they should be used. 

 It cannot harm us if the state will use them in a good twentieth centurj^ 

 manner to do this work. 



Mr. Thurston: Many of the southern states are doing this very 

 thing. 



Mr. Thompson: Many of the southern states have no way of using 

 this labor. They send some of their convicts to the state of Illinois in 

 the stone quarries. These convicts are not supposed to be taken out on 

 the streets or anything of the kind. It was the idea to put them to the 

 gravel bank and the farmers can get the crushed stone. They can do 

 some good. In the central portion some of this very stone is crushed 

 by the convicts, and it has made the material cheaper. Convicts can 

 do that. 



Mr. President: Voting on amendment. Moved and seconded the reso- 

 lution be laid on the table. Are you ready for the question. All in 

 favor of that motion make it known by raising your right hand. (Eight.) 



Those opposed to laying it on the table raise your right hand (Ten.) 



Mr. Hostetter: I would like to have it read again. We do not dis- 

 tinctly understand it. 



