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hogs. And here is another point: There is more to stimulate the whole milk 

 farmer th^in the gathered cream farmer. They come to the factory every day, 

 and there is a constant competition among them; they compare notes, and it 

 sets them to weeding out their cows; they accomplish more. 



Mr. White, of Aurora : My exoerience is this : That this gathered 

 cre^m work has done more to educate our dairymen than all the whole milk 

 work toge'her. 



Mr. Bartlett : How much did skim milk cheese pay when it cost two 

 cents to m-ake it and it was sold for 2| and 3 cents? 



Mr. Gurler ; I admit that there are three months in the yeir that the 

 milk is worth more at home in this section than it is to make skim cheese. 



Mr. Lovejoy Johnson: I do not regard this as a system yet ; I call it 

 the cream gathering plan. I have been working this plan four or five years, 

 trying to get it down to som^^ kind of a system. I have heard this talk 

 about the value of the skim milk until I am sick of it. Our land is worth 

 from $50 to $75 an acre, and we cannot compete in raising calves with a 

 country where they get land for almost nothing. Let them raise calves, and 

 let us make butter. This gentleman speaks of the value of skim c 'cese this 

 last summer. I will admit that it didn't bring a high price, but I would like 

 to ask him how much money he made when he bought shoats last spring for 

 his skim milk feed and sold them for four cents a pound. 



Mr. Colton: There is a man in our neighborhooi^ — and this is as true as 

 I am going to tell you— who has thirt<^en c >ws, and in twelve months and fif- 

 teen days the thirteen cows brougot in $1,335 from the factory, whole milk. 

 Now, if Jhe gentlemen can get th tt out of their cows by the gathered cream 

 plan, I would like to have them say so. 



Mr. Gurler: '' Figures don't lie," they say, but it always disturbs me 

 when I hear a man bring up such figures. 



Mr. Lovejoy Johnson : It seems to me the whole question of this 

 cream g tthering business is: Can we afford to feed cheese that is worth from 

 five t ) eight cents a pound to calves and hogs? That settles the whole ques- 

 tion. I say we can not. 



Mr. Buell: The question here, I think, is not how much you can get out 

 of a single cow. but it is how much you get out compared with what you put 

 in. A man m ght get $100 out of a cow and get 1 ss profit than if he got $15. 

 It is the net profit we want. You want to know all the circumstances before 

 you can judge of au operation of this kind. 



Mr Broomell: Our friend, Mr. Buell, has struck the key-note when he 

 says we want to know the credit as well as the debit side. We want to know 

 how much thns^ cows have consumed in order to compare it with what the 

 man received for the milk. There cannot be any better standard than that ; 

 we must know the details. Yet, this shows what can be accomplished by 

 good work; and what onf^ man has done, another man can do. 



Maj, Alvord, of New York: We have had this question with us in the 

 east, and we are just substituting the associated dairy for the old farming 

 dairy system; and, upon my word, I thought I was going to get lots of facts 

 on the subject by coming from New York to Illinois; but I believe we know 

 as much about it as you do here. Now, I know this, sir; I have figured it all 

 out, and if I had my books I could show you facts and figures, that in sec- 



