2l6 ILLINOIS STATE DAIRYMEN'S ASSOCIATION. 



Mr. Boyd: "I put that against the experince of these fac- 

 tories that have been running over three years; some of them, 

 the sharpest, shrewdest men in the country, men that don't take 

 anything for granted without they can see into it. There are 

 ioo factories of this same character in that section." 



Mr. Tenney: " Do I understand that under this system there 

 is no test made at the factory except in the ordinary churn? " 



Mr. Boyd: "There is no test made, they have abandoned 

 the ordinary test. 



Mr. Potter: "How to those factories prove that John 

 Brown's cream measuring an inch does not make a pound and 

 a half of butter, and John Smith's does not make three quarters 

 of a pound of butter ? " 



Mr. Boyd: ' 4 They have no means of telling that." 



Mr. Potter: " How do we know there is no injustice to some- 

 body?" 



Mr. Boyd: "It requires in Connecticut the same number of 

 spaces to make a pound of butter; the same result is shown in 

 Vermont and also in Massachusetts; they are so nearly alike 

 that the variation is of no commercial importance." 



Mr. Sawyer: "The point is right here. They are co-operative 

 and individual. If John Brown's cream makes a pound and a half 

 of butter to the inch and John Smith's only makes three quarters 

 of a pound, John Brown knows it or he is going to find it out; 

 it is to his interest to find it out; ten to one John Brown churns 

 his own butter occasionally, the same as any other member that 

 is wide awake and he finds out for himself, and if he finds out 

 that his cream is able to make a pound and a half and he is only 

 getting a pound out of it, he will make an investigation or draw 

 out. No man is going to co-operate as long as he has to pay 

 for somebody else; and as soon as he becomes dissatisfied he 

 pulls out. Now, these creameries have been running on for 

 years and they are still doing so, which seems to be evidence 

 enough that there must be satisfaction." 



Mr. Boyd : " There is nothing about the system that forbids 

 using the test; it merely is not an essential part of it. They are 



