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FOREST AND STREAM. 



[Makch 18, 1880. 



the trophy. They of all others have the right to speak their 

 minds on the question under consideration, and there is a hope- 

 ful unanimity in their cry of" come on" to their British rivals. 

 " Old Beliable" says :— 



"I beg to say that until quite recently I have felt reluctant to 

 consent lo a modification of the rules governing the contest for 

 the' Palma, for reasons previously entertained by many mem- 

 bers of the Association. But the apparent impossibility of obtain 

 big- a match in the future, together with (lie failure of the past 

 two years, has convinced me that it is now expedient to so alter 

 the rules as to meet the wishes of the National Rifle Association 

 of Great Britain, in which case I have the assurance that tho con- 

 test will be resumed. 



" The directors of our Association have this matter under con- 

 sideration, and I am led to believe that the change will be effected 

 at an early period, but I fear not in time for a contest this year. 

 " V cry truly yours, JonN BOD1NK." 



Mr. Itathbone, who has served on two teams, says :— 

 " T can see no valid objections to the change in the conditions of 

 the Palma match which you suggest. I think it is the wish of 

 American long-range riflemen to have the strongest possible for- 

 eign representation in the future contests for the Palma. The two 

 past vears. nmeh against our wish, we have had no team from a for- 

 eign country to meet, and we sincerely hope that 1880 may not pass 

 away without, a lively competition. During- the past two years a 

 visit from any or all four former competitors would have been 

 most welcome. I believe the position of the British X. E. A. to be 

 logical and correct, and I also understand that the American N. 

 B.. A. have the subject under consideration, and I doubt not will 

 come to the same conclusion, and, f hope, very soon, if it will be 

 the means of a British team coming to see us this year. 



"Truly yours, S. IUtubone." 



J. S. Sumner, with the best long-range record in the world, is 

 anxious for another of his quiet squelchiugs of the Britishers, and 

 remarks :— 



"I have read your editorial of hist week with much interest. 

 Tou have presented many good reasons why the conditions should 

 be changed. It does seem as if it was the only way to bring about 

 a match. They havesaid so much about it, their pride -will cer- 

 tainly bring them here if the conditions are changed. 



"Yours respectfully, Johjj S. SUMtfBR." 



Mr. Isaac L. Allen is as pungent as over, and shows that he is in 

 good fighting trim, by writing to the Editor of Forest asd 

 Stream as follows :— 



" Tou will please pardon mo if I decline to offer any sugges- 

 tions as to the advisability of changing the terms relating to the 

 Palma trophy. 



" The members of the teams of 1S7G and 1S77 once thought they 

 were entitled to some consideration, but soon found themselves 

 'sat upon; 'any suggestion from them being entirely ignored. 

 My opinion is, that if the Board of Directors of the X. H. A. wish 

 to have tho terms changed, said terms will be changed, as they 

 have been before, without reference to any suggestions from 



" Yours respectfully, Isaac D. Allen." 



Col. Clark, of Poughkeepsie, -who was on team of 187S, aeds some 

 suggestions for the conduct of a team match. He remarks s— 



"While I am in favor of modifying the conditions of the Palma 

 matoh so as to admit a British team only, I am also in favor of 

 doing away entirely with our present American Team system, 

 and, to speak plainly, Ibelieve there is no one obstacle so much 

 in the way of bringing about an International match as our pres- 

 ent system of team' coaching, I would place each man of the 

 team entirly upon his merits, and if necessary allow no person to 

 have intercourse with him during the shooting. Wo have had 

 enough of the American Team system to test the quality of out- 

 rides. Now let us test the metal of our marksmen by placing each 

 man of the team upon his own responsibility. This system would 

 bring together our host shots, and I have no doubt that a match 

 on this system could be arranged with our British friends. 



"It has been said that such a man is not much of an individual 

 shot, but he would give himself up totho coach and would make 

 a good tearaman. Why not. allow him to do all the firing ir be 

 be a good trigger puller, and leave tho other seven to adjust, 

 his sight and instruct him when to pull? Is it not almost a pity- 

 to use such men on a team, for if a big score be credited to 

 them we never hear of them after. It may be remembered that 

 in the " Spirit of the Times" match, which occurred a few days 

 after the Palma match, the British eight scored quite a number 

 of points more than tho American eight in this match. There 

 was no coaching allowed. If our rifles are superior, what caused 

 Buch a wide difference in tho scores of this and the Palma 

 match ? I believe it is a matter yet to be decided which are the 

 superior marksmen. H. E. Clark." 



Capt. L.C.Bruce is working with vigor for receiving tho atten- 

 dance of a British team here this year, and Capt. W. It. Jackson, 

 the captain of the last American Team and the present holder of 

 the trophy, says he will write more fully in a later letter and re- 

 marks for the present : — 



"I am pleased that you are making an early move. I will write 

 ajfew lines for the Forest and Stream. Wo must all do some- 

 thing to stir up an interest in long-rauge rifle practice. I do not 

 know that we will get the Englishmen over here. Whatever we 

 may do.kwe can take away any excuse upon their part." 

 Prof. Chas. E. Dwight -writes from Wheeling, West Va.:— 

 "The proposed plan of future competitions for the interna- 

 tional rifle matches for the trophy Palma, us proposed in the last 

 issue of the Forest and Stream, meets with my hearty approval, 

 and seems to me to be fair and just. The adoption of such a plan 

 could do nothing to make an international contest more remote 

 or improper than it is at the present time. Whether long-range 

 shooting owes its lethargy to the want of stimulus of these inter- 

 national contests, or to the fact of the sport being so largely par- 

 ticipated in by professional shooters, maintained by our enter- 

 prising manufacturers, is a question which if debated might elicit 

 a variety of opinions. 



" No one would be more pleased than myself to 'see an interna- 

 tional contest. I have thought tie best way to secure them would 

 be for the teams to a isit the opposing country alternately regard- 

 loss of the result of the match. The entrance fees of the confess 

 would, if given to the team, go far toward paying the expenses 

 of their visit tho following year. It seems to me that this plafi 

 would tend more toward keeping the interest up in both conn- 

 triesthan tho former manner of deciding the place for the oontesl 

 to be held. It would also, I think, have a tendency to introduce 

 American arms into the country visited by the American team. 

 " Yours truly, Chas. E. Dwight," 



Frank Hydesays:- 



" Vour admirable editorial in last week's Forest and Stream 

 is so conclusive upon this question that little remains to be said. 

 I am decidedly In l'a\ or of making it a truly international match. 

 The title Is now a misnomer, and, besides, the conditions are un- 

 fair to us, for while we can put only one team la the field Great 

 Britain is allowed something like a dozen ; for if Canada, Scot- 



land, Ireland and Australia are admitted, there is no reason why 

 !h prineipalty in India, South Africa, etc., should not. be repre- 

 sented. In the past our superiority in guns and drill has been 

 such that we could stand this, but uow England is imitating our 

 rifles and ammunition, and will moot us next time on more equal 

 terms. Yours truly, Frank Hyde." 



RANGE AND GALLERY. 



MASSAcrtrSETTt-Ro5/,,», March l-lfli. -There was a large gath- 

 ering in the " winter shed" at Walnut Hill range to-day, t tie at- 

 traction being the tenth competition in " everyboilj 's match." 

 The day was not just what a rifleman would hare selected for the 

 scoring of an extraordinary record, hut, in spite of the many dis- 

 advantages that the elements threw in their way. a large number 

 of The competitors succeeded in repeatedly finding- the bull's-eye, 

 and adding some fine scores to their previous records. The lights 

 and shades were fair, but the wind was unsteady and vacillating, 

 ranging from northeast to east in direction and from one-half to 

 one and one-half points in intensity. Captain Jackson, with his 

 Sharps rifle, government model, loaded with government ammu- 

 nition, which he himself loads, leads the van with a hand- 

 some 4S ; F. Brown 43, and H. Tyler, 42, with the same class 

 of rifle. Among the marksmen who practiced with sporting 

 rifles, W. Howard ranks the highest, having started off with 

 a four and finishing up with nine "centers," making the 

 handsome score of 19, which, taking the weather conditions into 

 consideration, was mi extraordinary performance. There were 

 iqfl entries at yesterday's meet, and appended are the highest 

 scores made.— 

 W.H. Jaeksou 



. Ho 



_ 5-48 



5 5 5 5 5 5-49 



" 5-48 



5-46 



4-47 



5—46 



.555 



.455. 



.55455 5 545 



.445" 



.554 



5 5 4 4 



W. Charles 



C. K. tariffing 



H. Bennett 



\ B Archer 4 54455445 o-45 



K.Davis 545645544 4—15 



.1. F.Brown , 4 44544 5 54 4— 13 



F. I; Souther 4 4 4 5 4 4 4 5 5 5-44 



ll' Tyler 4 54544444 4-43 



E. Whittler 4 444554 45 5-44 



J. Borden 4 4 4 4 4 4 5 5 5 4-13 



C IT Molggs 4454 4 4444 4—11 



OAaB 3 4 4 4 5 4 4 4 4 3-311 



A. Locke..... ----.3 3 4 3 3 4 8 5 4 4-3B 



According to the terms of the handicap, W. H. Jackson, W. 

 Charles, J. F. Brown and II. Tyler, all of whom used military rifles, 

 are entitled to two more points on each of their scores than appears 

 in the table above. 



Boston— -Mammoth Ttifle Gallery.— The second week of the Con- 

 solation Rifle Match has shown some wonderful shooting In the 

 first class. Mr. W. H. Harrison takes the lead with a 40 and two 

 39s. The management announce that a new rule is adopted for 

 hereafter in ease of ties; it is as follows: When the i 

 ants have been notified to appearand shoot off the tie, and tail to 

 do so, they relinquish all claim to shoot off, and mutt accept the 

 prize in order after the other contestants who do appear and shoot. 

 For example, last month there were three ties lor the first place, 

 if two should appear they take tho first two prizes, leaving the 

 third one for the absentee. This rule Is to bo strictly enforced, 

 and the management hope all will govern themselves accordingly. 

 Tho following is the standing of the several competitors to date ; 

 150 feet; rounds 8; possible 4(1:— 



First Class. 



W. II. Harrison... 39 39 40-118 I 0. Edwards. 87 38 39-114 



N w Arnold 3s 39 -Hi— 1 17 Frank Hollis 37 38 38— H8 



d!n. Sherburne.. 39 39 39-117 | 



Second Class. 



L W Farrar 37 88 38-113 I Col. Nat, AValos.... 34 37 87—108 



P It Swift . 37 38 38-11:1 F. If Mat thews. . .31 36 37-107 



H iV Shaw 37 87 3S-1 1;.' F. Si u m n av ....35 35 87— Iff! 



GordonMcKen.i, :v; :;. - 1 1 1 r, A. B ■' Word .35 35 37-107 



<i.C Arthur 36 37 38-111 W.B. Stuart 84 ■><_■ 38-108 



E. F.iiasset.t 38 3, 3.-110 I .1. Col. leu f 85 SB- 108 



F 1 Bonnev ..C5 .;■ :-- '.: i . II. Carsloy.. .34 34 3i— lOo 



SB. King... 30 3li 37-109 | Ceo. Fstes 35 35 3-5-105 



M.L.Pratt 36 36 37-109 I A. O. Staples 84 35 35-104 



Thus Howe 36 36 30- Ins, C.K.Curtis 31 34 do— 103 



N. S.James 36 36 30-IU.S Geo. D. F.dson 34 34 35—103 



Boston— QaUery Praotlse.— The hew classified match opened at 

 the Magnolia Gallery with ati abuudauce of entries and fine scor- 

 ing. F. Hollis again leads tho best scores, standing:— 



First class. 



if HolUs 49 49 50-148 I F. Hall 46 46 15-137 



WHenrv :.:.... 43 48 48-144 J. It. F. Sehaefer..4ti 43 43-133 

 .I.M.Smith 17 40 47-140 | 



Second class. 



W II Farnham...45 46 48— 139 I H. Lawrence 44 48 45—137 



A. li. Thomas... 46 46 46-138 | 



Third class. 



Pit Swifl ....47 45 48— 140 I O. A. Goss 44 15 39—138 



J.An.1:,4rn 4< »:: 4.5-1:1, b la-.l :' ' > / 



A.L.Howe -.15 42 43-130 F.Dudley 37 44 45-126 



C. J. Toy « 45 «-l;;9 | T. t.'arr -12 43 41-125 



Massachusetts— Sprinufielii, March 10th — Bod and Gun Rifle 

 Club scores made to-day in a sharp rain with some fog at 201 

 yards: possible 50:— 



L. IL Payoff 5 5 5 4 4 5 5 5 5 5-48 



S. srKtnstead 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 4 4 4-47 



\V. H.Cbaplu 5 6 5 4 4 5 5 5 4 4-46 



3 II Barrett - 44 5 4554 4 5 5-45 



.1 l-I. Mathewson i 4 5 4 4 4 5 4 6 5—14 



J. H.Doderick i 4 6 5 5 4 5 3 5 4-44 



Dr.Boring 4 4 5 4 4 5 4 5 4 4-43 



J. A. Willson - .5444 8 1555 4—13 



VanYlaek * t 4 5 4 4 5 4 i 4—42 



,1. Lewis 5 4 4 4 3 4 4 4 4 4—10 



11 inVetMrt, March- latfc.-Tho Wake Hold Amateur Eifle Asso- 

 ciation held their fourth competition In the " shoi run " series i his 

 afternoon, there being a large gathering of riflemen present. 

 Below are given the best scores :— 



E. F. Kiehardson 5 5 4 5 5 5 5-34 



David Ogilvio 4 4 4 5 5 5 5-32 



David H. Walker 4 5 5 4 6 5 4—33 



Frank A. Winahip 5 4 4 5 4 5 4-31 



John Henderson 4 4 4 5 5 4 4-30 



William Daniel - 4 5 4 4 4 4 5-30 



George Towle 6 4 5 4 4 4 4-30 



CojiNucTiuL-T — OiUinsviUe, March iOth.— Canton Bod and Gun 

 Club, Elversido Range. Practice meeting at 200 yards; off-hand 

 3-pounds pull, III shots; fresh wind 10 to 2 o'clock:— 



Ma&i.Orced. 

 J. Laubenstein.. 11 10 10 11 10 9 H 12 11 II LOU Id 



O.B.Hull 11 10 10 10 10 11 11 11 10 8 103 44 



K. F il. olier 11 9 10 12 10 8 S 10 9 10 97 43 



J. indwell 13 10 U 9 12 9 7 5 9 10 94 42 



J, D. Andrews... 7 10 10 8 11 10 8 10 8 01 41 



S. P. Lewis 10 10 10 11 8 11 1 9 10 8 89 40 



J. Plister 5 8 8 11 12 11 11 3 S 9 85 41 



CI. Case 8 8 Ll 6 9 10 4 8 8 78 38 



Schuetzen Notes.— The Hoard of Directors of the Schuetzen 

 Parkal Union Hill, X. J., are making arrangements for a fair tu bo 

 held at the park; time. 0th to the 20th. Connected with the 

 fair will be a grand p i/.c shooting for an aggregate of about $3,000, 

 open to all comers. The programmes for this shooting will be 

 issued in a few days. 



The New York Schuetzen Corps, Capt. Aery, will commence 

 with their regular practice shootings the Erst week in April. 



New Yoke— Headquarters ZcttlerR. G — Shootlug for club prize 

 March 2d; 20 shots; Creedtnoor targets, reduced to gallery dis- 

 tance; possible 100 :— 



M.Ii.Kgg8 98 I. H. Brown 05 



P. Fennings 98 M. Dorter 94 



B. Zeiii.-r 96 J. Until. .. 91 



Win. Klein ft. T. O'Blel 90 



M.B. Engel..... 96 



Empire Em,B CLUB.— New York, March lotA— Matches at 

 H art ung's Park, fourth fruit dish competition, 200 yards; handi- 

 cap:— 



J.W.Tood* 5 5 5 5 



lt.F.Dtivis+ 5 5 i 5 



N. D.Ward 4 4 5 4 



A.H.Cobb:!: 4 5 4 5 



W.M. Farrows.... 4 5 ' 



J. H. Brown.-. ,4 1 



F.H.Holton"-' 5 5 



H. Fisher 1 * 



3 points handicap, ft. 5 Less 8 I 

 handicap, 41. -^ Less 2 points 111 



4 5 



4 S 



5 



5 5 



" Subscription match"; 200 yards ; 5 pr 



J. W.Tndd 4 i 



W.M. Farrow 



A. li. Cobb 



F. H. Holton 



J. II. Brown 5 5 4 I 



C. E. Taynfor 45 I N. Dorrler. 



D.F.Davids --.41 N.D. Ward 



H. Fisher 41 | 



New York Bit i.e Ct.rn. -(/•■; iin,j'.< Part 

 regular practice of this olubtook ; 

 the following result— not as good as it niig 

 provement on the preceding week :— 



n 5 4-19 

 5 5 5—47 

 4 5 5—45 



4 4 .5-46 



5 5 5-46 

 4 5 4-45 



4-45 



4-41 



ess 1 point handicap, 40. i Less 



nts handicap, 43. *J Loss 4 points 



dieap, 39. 



i-cn(ries allowed:— 

 5 5 5 5 5 5—18 



r, ;. 48 



4 5 5 5 5 4-47 



5 5 5 5 4 4-47 

 4 5 4 5 5 5—16 



March 15t«..-Tbe 

 •duesday last with 

 , be, but some un- 



. 14 2 



?. Is 23 1 



King 23 18 18 22 19 



Creedmoor 5 4 4 5 4 4 



Bing 22 25 1121 13 34 15 33 IK 11 20 6 23 20 23 -278 



Creedmoor 5 5 4 5 4 g 4 5 1 3 4 3 5 4 5-115 



J. W. MANC1AM. 



Ring 22 22 17 20 11 23 23 20 17 16 15 16 16 tl 10 -888 



Creedmoor 5 5 4 4 3 5 5 4 4 4 4 4 4 3 4-02 



Total ring, 1,430; total Creedmoor, 326. Average ring, 287 1-5 ; 



Hi', rage i Ire fax e.6s 1-B. 



M. M. Maltbt, Adjutant. 



Creedmoor Programme for April. The competitions upon 

 the range at Creedmoor, during the month of April, 1880, are an- 

 nounced as follows : — 



Saturday. 3d.- Mr. Frank J. Donaldson, Executive Officer. 

 "Off-Hand Individual" Match; conditions in last week's Forest 

 and Stream. 



Wednesday, 7th.— MaJ. Ceo. S. Schcrrnerborn, Jr., Executive 

 Offioer.— " Ballard Hide " Match, 100 and 200 yards, and "Reming- 

 ton Iliflc " Match, 200 yards. 



S lay, loth— (ion. Geo. W. Wingtue, Executive Oltieer— "Tho 



Remington Shot Gun " Match, 800, 900 and 1,000 yards, and " Off- 

 Hand Individual " Match. 



Wednesday, 14th.— Col. Geo. D. Scott, Executive Officer.— Tho 

 "Alford"Match.— Twenty competitions (semi-monthly), for twenty 

 Remington Military Killes, N. Y. State model, 50 caliber, or U. 8. 

 Government pattern, 45 caliber. 



Saturday, nth.— Mr. James Grant, Executive Officer.— "Rom- 

 ton Gold" Match; distances, 900 and 1,000 j ards ; and " Otf-Hand 

 Individual "Match. 



Wednesday, 21st.— Col. J. H. Cowperthwait, Executive Officer.— 

 The "Secretary's" Match, llrst competition. Conditions: Open to 

 everybody. Distances, SOU and 500 yards! ttve .-hots at, each dis- 

 tance. Position, standing, at 200 yai s; I 500 yards, any, without 

 artificial rest. Rule, any of the following: Winchester Military, 

 Peabody-Marl.ini MilitSU Itaty, Keininglou Military, 

 ,'ilit.iry, Maniiii-H. nry Military, Sharps Military, and 

 Springfield Military. Entrance ~ , its oi each entry. Com- 

 petitors allowed llrrei mi thi highest score to taken 



prize. Six prizes-first, *10O! others, B eri 



ill;.: 



Salt 



Remli 



We. 



i Officer.—" Tho 



3'lij an 



n. 



ocutive 

 and 600 

 target, 



"Alt'ord" .Mutch. " 

 yards. "■Winchester Kiflo" Match ; 



distance, 100 yards. 

 Tickets of membership In the National Kille Association for tho 

 , -.•: .in be purchased either at the office of the Association^ 

 in Hew York City, or upon the Range Bt Creedmoor. Members 



(vill lie entitled to free admission to the range grounds, and to 

 use of targets at all times (Sundays excepted), and will, upuu ap- 

 plication at the office, be furnish si with a card enritlm ., 



\ .,;,.[ i ;i asportation between (few STork or Brooklyn and 



Creei-linoor at. the reduced rate of thirty cents excursion. 

 kssem vs. FRELOunnvsEX.— A'l'tcnr/.-, March lOffti— 



ii [.luceat Iherangeof the latter on Wednesday evening 



last, which wss closely contested by both clubs, members of each 



team shooting alternately, the highest score being 47. The match 

 was won by the Essex Club :— 



ESsliX. 



W.A.Cleavlund IB 



A. franc II 



Jas. Dufchcr .- 46 



Jas i H 



F. Helms W 



A.Welta. . 



A. Mantle « 



W.Duieher » 



Sons « 



.Inbrl UooU *4 



FRELIXOimSEN. 



iiiuann 



Coo. Weigman... — ...... 



C. hodeu 



den 



/in 



It. liuaeh 



,1. K. Will, a 

 .:.-■'- L'. lie 



torman ,. 

 J. Dennis 



WHAT A HUNTED. KNOWS. 



Iso/EMAN, Montana, Feb. 28th. 

 -Editor lou-fst ««'! StTi 



Kcplying to '' Hunting Ride's " iiuery in issue of Jan. 8th, the 

 weight of the .40 caliber hOflOW-pointed bullet to which he refers 



should hav "■ i : .■■idori02grs., as the types had it. It 



WasSbOtteht unneee-aiy t.. COTrectthe error, the proportion of 

 powder to ball given .1 to 3.38; fixing the true weight It bo 

 will send his address to Walter Co, .per, gun dealet, Bozeman 

 Montana, he will send him a 101 of tne balls for trial in his rifle. It 



1 ball, and of sufficient ta] — .nuing ball. 



..i peouloritieaol calihi in differed* 



rifles, a ball that files I rue trorn one rifle will ' 



urue from others nominally of the same caliber. The Winchester, 



.44.cal., for iiibtance, is not, 1 think, more than .42 col., and s • 



