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A Beginner's Score.— Chicago, Oct. 22(7 .—Editor For¬ 
est and Stream :—I ara told that my archery scores, for a 
comparatively new hand at the business, are rather remark¬ 
able, and if such is the case, you may, if you see fit, make 
a note of a few of them. In a shoot with Mr. Brewster, 
90 arrows at 00 yards, I made 73 hits; score 352. My 
greatest number of hits, 30 arrows, 60 yards, was 28 hits ; 
score 128. My largest score at 60 yards, was 26 hits ; 
score 150. This last score was made up of 5 golds, 8 reds, 
8 blues, 2 blacks, 3 whites, equals 150. My 60 yard shoot¬ 
ing has all been done since I umpired the match between 
Buffalo and Higliland Park last month, 
Granger Smith. 
MR. THOMPSON ON FLIGHT OF ARROWS, 
Editor Forest and Stream ;— 
In your issue of Oct. 9th, Mr, Will H. Thompson gives 
his experience with arrows of different weights, and it 
i8 of great value, and I hope others -will give us the results 
of their shooting in the same way, as from such data the 
best bow and arrow will be found. Mr. Thompson says : 
“ Thus, if a shot gun be loaded with a mixed charge of 4 
ounce of No. 13 shot and A ounce of No. 4 shot, and be 
discharged, the No. 12 shot will start with a vastly greatly 
initial velocity (italics mine) than the No. 4's, but -will be 
overtaken by the 4’s by the time a distance of forty yards 
is reached. The heavy shot will then pass away from the 
smaller shot and continue their flight to a much greater 
distance. This is precisely the case with arrows. The 
light arrows for about the distance of sixty, possibly 
seventy, yards will fly with greater speed, and conse¬ 
quently have a flatter projector}' than its heavier rival, 
but at about sixty yards the resistance of the atmosphere 
overcomes the energy of the light shaft to such an extent 
as to place it on equal terms with the heavy one, and after 
this the rivalry ceases, the bulky fellow having the advan¬ 
tage in. momentum. The above facts being accepted, 
for they are beyond controversy true, (italics mine) the 
question remains what is the best arrowy ” When anyone 
lays down a proposition as true and beyond controversy, 
he should he very careful, and see that it was not the 
exactly opposite that was true. In a cylindrical, a choke- 
bore, a half choke and a bell muzzle gun, no such thing 
ever did nor ever could occur. What kind of a gun Mr. 
Thompson used, I do not know, but I would like him to 
explain how that gun separated the different sized shot, 
and started the No. 12’s off on their journey faster than 
itjdid the No.4’s, and how fast the wads) travelled, or did he 
use wads? I am as mixed in my ideas of how it was done 
as the charge of shot was. In all the guns I have ever 
used or heard of the whole charge with both the wads 
left the muzzle of the gun at exactly the same initial 
velocity, and it could not nave done anything else, as any 
one will see upon looking at it, and the wad being of 
lighter material, that is, the cross section is greater in 
proportion to their weight, was stopped bypassing through 
the air very quick, The No. 12’s obeying the same law, 
their cross section being larger in proportion to their 
weight,were retarded more than the No. 4’s, and lost their 
velocity quicker, but they never had a higher velocity at 
any time. So it will be seen by the above that I do 
not accept the facts, and they are not beyond con¬ 
troversy. 
I believe that a 4’s arrow will, when shot, from a bow 
of from forty to fifty pounds weight, give a lower trajec¬ 
tory for any distance up to 100 yards than any arrow of 
greater weight, and the record of the shots given by Mr. 
Thompson positively proves it by using his own logic. Of 
course the arrow must be stiff enough to stand the bow¬ 
string without springing, and there are plenty of that 
weight that will. The recorded flight of the arrows from 
the forty-four pound bow shows that the light arrows 
beat the heavy ones a little every time, but there was but 
little difference, and not worth talking about in the forty 
and the fifty pounds bow, while with the heavier the 
very light arrows sprung, and did not do as well. Now, 
Mr. Thompson is very positive in his advice to archers 
that they should not use bows over fifty pounds, and says 
that a forty-eight pound bow is heavy enough for the York 
Round. The light arrow, instead of flying very swift up to 
sixty or possibly seventy yards, and then being passed by 
the heaviest rival, is never passed until fully three-fifths of 
the distance (in flight shooting) is gone over. Any club 
can try this by two archers with bows of equal strength 
shooting light and heavy arrows with men stationed every 
twenty-five yards of the distance to watch the flight, the 
two archers shooting at the word and changing so as to 
shoot light and heavy arrows from each bow. The 
watchers can see which arrow is ahead and record just 
the place the heavy arrow passes the light one, and they 
will find that if the arrows go the same distance, that 
they both strike the ground together or nearly so, that up 
to 120 yards the light arrow is considerable ahead. The 
watchers Bhould catcli the difference just as they pass 
on a line at right angles to the line of flight. Let every 
club try this one afternoon this fall and send me the 
results; and I will work up the whole and seud it to 
the Forest and Stream for publication. 
In experiments to try for the height of the trajectory, 
provide two light poles, twelve or fifteen feet long, and 
a spool of No. 30 white cotton thread. Put the poles on 
tho ground about eight feet apart, and tie a thread, one 
end to each of the poles, every six inches, from about six 
feet from the bottom up to the top, so that, when the 
poles are upright, the threads shall all be taut and level 
across. If you are at the 100 yards range, erect the poles 
with the threads at right angles to the flight of the ar¬ 
row, and about sixty yards from the archer—of course, 
so that the arrow, when striking the target, will pass be¬ 
tween the poles. A watcher at the poles will see between 
which threads the arrow passes. The archer will then 
stand his unbent bow upright, with his thumb marking 
the height of his arrow when loosed; the watcher will 
raise his bow, until the upper end is exactly at the point 
where the arrow passed through the threads, and he 
will move his hand up or down the bow until lilie archer, 
taking eight over his thumb and upon the arrow in the 
the target, tells him his hand is in line. Now the length 
of the how above the watcher's hand, is the height of the 
trajectory. At other distances the poles should be placed 
the same proportion, six-tenths of the distance. A few 
experiments of this kind will give American archers more 
real knowledge than all the books in the country. What 
we want to know, is what our bows and our arrows in 
our hands do, and which bow and which arrow suits- us 
best, never minding about others’ say-so, While my 
hand is in, let me have a word to say on the Messrs. 
Thompsons’ deductions upon the twist given to arrows. 
I quote from their hook, “ How to Train in Archery,” 
page 42: “An arrow was shot into the target, distant 
100 yards, and chanced to touch a long iron Bpike which 
projected from the rude target-easel we were using. This 
spike had a very sharp corner, which cut a groove in the 
steel of the arrow as it passed ; which groove, upon ex¬ 
amination, was found to run spiraly around the shaft 
three times in six inohes, or once in two inches. 
“Now an arrow, shot with the full force of a fifty-two- 
pound bow, will fly 100 yards in two seconds, There are 
3,600 inches in 100 yards. Therefore, if an arrow flies 
3,600 inches in two seconds, and turns once in two inches, 
it will turn 900 tirneB in a second; a pretty rapid ro¬ 
tation. Of course it starts with a much greater velocity. 
The average would probably be 1,200 revolutions a 
Beeond.” 
Remember, that Mr. Thompson is now writing about an 
arrow that is feathered; to use his own words, “with 
feathers practically parallel to the steel of the arrow," 
Now an arrow with the vanes positively parallel, will not 
revolve once in 100 yards; in fact, it could not revolve 
anymore than if it was held in a vice. But as to an 
aixow revolving once in two inches of endwise motion—to 
begin : no arrow, in its flight through the air, can have 
any more revolutions than the twist or pitch of the 
feathers. If the pitch is once in three feet, that mow 
cannot by any possible means, while it is in the air on its 
flight, turn once in thirty-five inches, and it will not 
quite turn once in thirty-six, owing to frictional resist¬ 
ance, etc. The vanes of all feathers are curved naturally, 
and when put on while the shaft of the feathers may he 
straight, the vane has a curve so that arrow-makers use 
on an arrow all the vanes from the right, or all from the 
left side of the feathers. But no arrow ever revolved 
once in two inches in its flight in the world, and went 
fifty yards. Mr. Thompson says, as quoted : “The ar¬ 
row starts with a much greater velocity. The average 
would probably he 1,200 revolutions a second.” Now, 
in that peculiar shot-gun experiment, will Mr. Thomp¬ 
son tell us, in plain, simple English, how that arrow re¬ 
volved and where it got its power to revolve, and how it 
could overcome the resistance of the several square 
inches of surface of the flat vanes that must have op¬ 
posed such revolutions? An arrow vaned so that it 
would revolve once in two inches, would resemble at its 
feathers a propeller screw, and its dimensions would be 
described by an engineer as “an inch and three-quarters 
diameter, and two inch pitch,” which is about the pro¬ 
portion of a good, high-speed propeller-wheel. To see 
just how such a thing would look, cut out apiece of paper 
exactly two inches wide, and five and a half inches long ; 
draw a lino diagonally, from one corner across the paper 
to the other, and bend the paper into a circle, with the 
line on the outside, and that line would be the path that 
tile outer edge of the vane of such an arrow must take, 
and then believe that an arrow revolves once in two 
inohes if you can. You might as well put a collar of that 
size on an arrow, and shoot it as such a feather. And I say 
positively, that no other feathering will give such results 
as Mr. Thompson says “ practically parallel ” feathers do. 
I am writing as I do, for one purpose : to get at the facts ; 
and it is facts that every archer wants. If my brother 
archers will send me the’results of then- real experiments 
with bows and arrows, I will try and get the whole in 
shape for publication; not what happens to an arrow 
when it touches something, but its flight through the air; 
the weight of the bow, length and weight of arrow ; 
time of the flight, divided into time of its ascending and 
descending distance ; supposed height of trajectory—this 
is for flight shooting. And at the target, by the use of 
the cross-threads and poles, everything in feet and inches ; 
height of trajetory, with weight of bows and arrows; 
distances, etc. John W. Sotton, 
New York, 95 Liberty street. 
ATHLETICS. 
Yale Athletics— New Haven, Oct. 38d.—Annual fall 
meeting. The first event was the dash of 100 yards. 
Entries:—O, W. Dye, ’81, S.S.S.; E. P. Brandt, ! 81 ; J. 
Moorehead, ’80, S.S.S.; H. H. Hall, Law School; W. C. 
Witherbee, ’80 ; C. H. Whitmore, Law School. Moorhead 
won in 11s.; Whitmore second, in 114s,, and Witherbee 
third. 
In the tug of war ’81 and ’83 were represented as fol¬ 
lows :—’81, Lamb, Keller, Collins, Fuller; ’83, Hull, Rog¬ 
ers, Parker, Moorhouse, The victory was with ’83 after 
a hard struggle in lm. 
The half-mile run had the following entries:—II. A. 
Hall, Law School; W. H. Pierce, ’81 ; j. B. C. Tappan, 
’80; C. H. Whitmore, Law School; O. W. Dye, ’81, Sci¬ 
entific School; T. D. Cuyler, ’83. Only three started— 
Tappan, Dye, and Culyer. The latter won in 2m. 14fa. 
Tappan was second in 2m. 184s.; Dye dropped out at the 
quarter-mile post. 
In the mile-run Cuyler and Pierce started. At the half- 
mile post the men were nearly even, Pierce’s time being 
2m. 40s. and Cuyler’s 2m. 414s. Cuyler won in good form 
in 5m. S5s. 
The five-mile “go-as-you-please” race had as starters 
Dye, Barker, and Norton. The first mile was made by 
Barker in 5m. 38s., by Norton in 5m. 39s., and by Dye in 
6m. Is.; the second mile by Norton in 11m. 45s., Barker 
in 11m. 55s., Dye in 12m. 20s.; third mile by Norton in 
18m. 3s., Barker in 19m. 44s., Dye in 20m. 7s.; fourth 
mile by Norton in 24m. 55s., Barker in 26m. 55s., Dye in 
27m. 52s.; fifth mile by Norton in 31m. 10s,, Barker in 
33m. 50s., Dye in 35m. 55s. Norton won, making the 
best collegiate time on record. 
—The three-nights’ billiard match for 8,000 points be¬ 
tween Jacob Schaefer and George Slosson was finished in 
Madison Square Garden Saturday evening, and resulted 
in a victory for Schaefer, who scored a total of 3,000 
points to Slosson’s 2,604. The best runs were : Schaefer, 
281, 143, 123; Slosson, 267, 102, 112. 
—William Jackson and William Hickman, two colored 
river hands, had a friendly wrestle in a saloon last Satur¬ 
day. Hickman threw Jackson, killing him instantly. 
—The reported results of the man-horse walking match 
at San Francisco, six days, were :— 
Horses—Pinafore, 559 miles ; Nellie, 536 miles ; Dan 
McCarthy, 517 miles. Men—Guerrero, 375 miles ; Brodie, 
262 miles. 
—Mi - . E. J. Horsman publishes a large catalogue of 
archery goods, toys, etc. Christmas is coming, and Mr. 
Horsman is one of the men who make Christmas stock¬ 
ings full of surprises for the boys and girls. 
EFFECTS OF MOONLIGHT. 
¥ Willis. Tex., Se . pt . 22J. 
' Mr Editor .—It appears that they have all got the thing mixed 
up again, and require a littlo more correction to get them aright, 
and if you will allow this little scrap a corner in our “pet” paper, 
the Forest and Stream, then 1 will give them my mite of expe¬ 
rience. 
1 have done as much deer hunting as most anyone of my age, 
and 1 say that moonlight, or moon Influence, does have much 
to do with tho habits of deer and fish, and all other game animals. 
I have hunted by stalking or still bunting : by running them with 
hounds; and by fire-bunting; and I have this to say, that deer do 
the most of their feeding and travelling about during the time 
the moon is up or above the horizon, be that time day or nighl. 
I have observed tins one thing very closely, for thereupon baa 
always depended much of iny success hi this sport. It does not 
matter as to light or dark, as regards their seeing. Tbeyseewell, 
most too well, at any time. 
In a locality where deer are undisturbed by man or dogs, they 
feed nearly as much in tho day as night, when the moon is up. If 
tho moon lias been shining all night, and you bunt them tbe 
following day, you will scarcely find one on foot, unless aroused 
from his bed. And when the moon has been up all day you can 
flre-hunt thorn all night and seldom Bhine an eye, unless found 
lying down, except during the last quarter of the moon, for then, 
the moon has been down nearly all day, and they become very 
hungry, at which time the majority of them feed nearly ail night; 
and then is decidedly the best time in the month to flre-hunt. At 
this time the night is as dark as can be, up to from 11 to 2 o'clock, 
and every deer found any time during the night is on foot. 
If you wish to And deer still hunting, go when the moon rises 
or is yet up, whether it be the forenoon or afternoon ; but, If the 
moon is down in the daytime, let your rifle remain in tbe “ rack,” 
and you go about something else, unless you want to bunt them 
with dogs; if so then this is the best time, as they are more slug¬ 
gish nod ill-disposed to run far ahead of the hounds, and will 
circle and dodge around and give you a better chance for a shot. 
As to fishing, the moon influence is amply verified. If you “ go 
a-fishing " go between the new moon and tbe first quarter, or be¬ 
tween tho last quarter and the “ change. ” At these periods tbe 
moon is up during tho day, and diurnal fish will then be feeding 
and will tenfold more readily bite; but if the moon Is about full 
and shining all night, it renders all animal life sleepy and dull the 
following day. and you will have little luck. You will be apt to 
return home with the old fisherman's “ tale." t mean by diurnal 
fish, these that feed or bite in the day time, viz.: most ot the scale 
fish. Most all game fish in this county bite only in the day time, 
such as black boss, white perch (croppies), sun fish, bream, etc., 
while nocturnal feeders, such as cat, buffalo, eels, gars, etc., bite 
mostly at night, and even those bite best at night when the nights 
are dark. 
1 have found deer best at night when the moon was high up in 
the heavens, but it would be as dark os a blacking box, the moon 
being obscured entirely by thick lowering clouds and drizzling 
rain, or not raining all the same; so this disproves the theory that 
the light of the moon is what they are after. 
These very dark, cloudy nights when the moon is up, are tbe 
vory best nights to fire-hunt, and it don't make any difference 
whether the day is bright or dark and cloudy, so the moon is up; 
that is the time the deer are up. This is not theory, this is practi¬ 
cal experience gleaned from close and unbiased observation for 
years in the deers' range, walking aftor them, riding after them, 
hunting them by night with a lamp on my head, and waiting - on 
their trails. O. L. J 
How to Spell Mosquito.—'W orcester says it is vari¬ 
ously written musquito, musqueto, musquetoe, inosclieto, 
mosolietto, mosquetoe, mosquetto, muscheto, muschetto, 
musketoe, muskitto, musqueto, and musquitto—fourteen 
different ways, The approved spelling is mosquito ; plu¬ 
ral mosquitos. 
—Experiments with the electric fight at Saratoga show 
that ordinary print can be read thereby at a distance 
seven and a half miles. 
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