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suddenly as to be a surprise to every one. His score of 
218 jSoints with 30 arrows at 40 yards, at the Ohio State 
Tournament, was an exhibition of skill and nerve which 
marks him as a future figure in archery tournaments. 
The Arden Archers, of Marietta, Ohio, have given to fame 
the names of three archers at least of very high skill—Mr. 
L. L. Peddinghaus, Mr. Charles Slack and Mr. E. W. 
Deval, each of whom has scored above 150 points with 30 
arrows at 60 yards. At the Ohio State Tournament, 
though shooting under difficulties, each of the two first 
named scored very close to 800 points at the double 
American Round, and lately we are astonished by the 
scoring of all three at the York Round, Mr. Peddinghaus 
getting t wo single Yorks in succession of 399, and 421 
points—a double York of 820. The Toledo Archers, a 
young society organized in July, 1S79, have shown won¬ 
derful advancement, Mr. Dean V. R. Manly scoring above 
800 points at a double American Round. All honor to 
this baud of brave young archers, which though only a 
' month old had the courage to join the National Associa¬ 
tion and boldly contend for the prizes at the National 
Meeting at Chicago, It was an exhibition of true nerve, 
and the steady advance which they have made is no sur¬ 
prise to the’ writer. Among the eastern archers the 
writer is less acquainted, yet the fine scoring at the 
ranges of the American Round ot Mr. J. O. Blake, Mr. 
W. Holberton, Mr. H. Innis, Mr. J. G. Johnson, and 
notably Mr. E. R. Dwight, who each passed 500 points 
at the double American Round at the public tournament 
of the Eastern Archery Association, deserves mention. 
AH these archers are young in the practice, but their 
scoring gives promise of future excellence. Of course 
the archers above mentioned are only a tithe of the num¬ 
ber whose scores have marked them as rapid learners of 
the art of archery, but enough have been named to prove 
the fact that the pastime lias taken a long step forward 
during the past season. One marked feature of the last 
year has been the unanimity with which the more ad¬ 
vanced archers have discarded the short ranges and prac¬ 
ticed at the York Round, or at least at the 60 yards range. 
This is as it should be, and the good effects of it will be 
seen at the next National Meeting. The ladies have fully 
kept pace with the gentlemen in the general advance, 
and we could give many names amongtliem which have 
attracted attention throughout the season, «but we do 
not feel hold enough to particularize among ’the fair ! 
We might say, however, that scores Of 500 to 750 points 
at the double Columbia Round have been-made by ladies 
of one season’s practice, and two or three we know who 
at the 60 yards range have scored above 100 points with 
30 arrows. Surely this is a remarkable record for a first 
year. 
Besides many niatcnes between teams of different 
societies, four great public meetings were held : the Na¬ 
tional Meeting at Chicago, the Eastern Archery Associa¬ 
tion's Meeting at Beacon Park, Boston, the Ohio State 
Tournament at Cincinnati, and the Pacific Coast Tourna¬ 
ment at Sacramento, California. At each of these meet¬ 
ings great interest was manifested, the attendance of 
archers was large, and although the scoring was not 
generally up to the average of the practice scores of each 
archer, yet, taken as a whole, it was very satisfactory. 
The general result of the season has been the wonderful 
upbuilding of archery throughout the country. In the 
coming season we shall all have good bows, fine arrows, 
more practice atlonger ranges, more matches and public 
meetings, and the year 1889 will fix archery so firmly in 
the affections of the American people that in after years 
its great tournaments wifi be the most attractive of all 
exhibitions of out-door pastimes. 
Will H. Thompson. 
ARCHERY SCORING. 
Boston, Deo. 31st, 1879. 
Editor Forest and Stream :— 
I am pleased to see the article of “ Massasoit Bowman” 
in your issue of Dec. 25th. It is only by full and free 
disoussion, and by having the points fairly presented on 
both sides, that the archers of our country are to be 
enabled to pass proper judgment on the new ideas which 
will undoubtedly be advanced in this Yankee land. I am 
aware of the risks and criticisms to which one is liable 
who advances or advocates anything in archery at 
variance with the methods which have come to us across 
the Allantic. In archery, as in other sports, there are 
those who arc prone to accept, without question, any¬ 
thing handed down from the ages, or coming from afar, 
as the ne plus ultra. It has the far-away odor of antiquity 
—possibly its only merit—and they seem to forget that 
there is something new under the sun—at least there are 
rediscoveries—for Have we not just discovered some of 
the pleasures of archery? There are also those—and I 
am happy to think the majority—who are disposed to 
consider, and if apparently reasonable, to grant, a fair 
trial to new ideas, and to encourage home industry and 
talent. This has been well illustrated by the how con¬ 
troversy in Forest and Stream. 
NOw, 1 have good reason to believe that American 
makers can and do make good bows, and better ones than 
can he imported at the same price. I had a 40-lb. seJf- 
snakewood how of domestic manufacture, which I used 
constantly for over five months, and shot with it over 
eight thousand times. It was apparently as good as the 
day I bought it, when the unlucky day came In which I 
broke two strings on the bow in quick succession, and, 
probably weakened by the breaking of the first, it could, 
not stand the recoil when the second gave way Many 
good bows are brokenin this way, and I am of the opinion 
that the bows of any maker are liable to fail on use, 
there being so many things in the nature of the material 
used not discoverable in the shaping or finishing, and 
only brought out by repeated trials. 
My interest in archery is not of the kind inspired 
wholly by the halo of antiquity and romance in which it 
has been handed down to us. It is more of a practical 
nature. The antiquity and romance are very good ; but 
the practical utility ill the benefits and pleasures to he 
derived in its practice, and its adaptability to all who 
choose to make it their exercise and recreation, are, I 
think, greater recommendations, and its strong hold on 
those who enter into the sport. We are not the people to 
stand still and take the “say so” of another as an ac¬ 
cepted fact. On the importation of rifle-shooting some 
years since, did Americans continue on only in the 
beaten path of English method ? Was there not a most 
radical change made, and our teachers taught to load at 
Ui« other end ? And have not the rifle chibs given up 
those targets with twelve rings, and valued from one to 
twelve, for the target with five rings, valued from one to 
five, for exactly the same reason that 1 advanced In sup¬ 
port of my proposition? My statement was “ The 
adoption of such a change would make no radical change 
in the comparative value of scores ; but it would give to 
scores ha ving a large number of hits, with few golds and 
reds, an equity which they deserve, especially for long- 
range shooting, and would bring the actual scores to a 
better per cent, of the possible score.” Probably I did 
not make myself as clear on the subject as I should have 
done. ‘ ‘ Massasoit, ” and also a brother archer in a private 
letter, both seem impressed with the idea that I propose 
having the greater number of hits count the highest 
score ; but it is not so, for in that case there would he no 
necessity of values for the different colors. The present 
proportionate value of colors is:—gold 36, red 28, blue 
20, black 12, white 4 per cent. The new values would 
be: — gold 53J, red 26|, blue 20, black 13J, and white Cjj- 
per cent. This change would take 2£ per cent, from the 
gold, 1J- per cent, from the red, and add to the wltite and 
black respectively, and as I before stated, there will be 
no radical change in the comparative value of scores. 
The larger score will be the larger score still, save in such 
a case as noted ; and I yet think that as between 50 hits, 
value 202, and 05 hits, value 201, the 55 hits the best 
shooting, though with the ro-valuation it would score hut 
one point over the 50 hits. To illustrate the per cent, of 
increase, in the possible scores I give the following from 
my reply to the private letter ou the subject. Two scores 
were submitted, figured at the old and my proposed 
values, viz, :— 
Hits. 29 Value. .. — . 117 New Value-.. 87 
Hits . 80 Value. 122 New Value.. 76 
I find that 76 is 2 1-3 per cent, more of 122 than 87 is of 
145, showing that per cent, of increase to the 30 hits. To 
figure another way :—145 is 18.8 per cent, larger than 
122 , while 87 is but 14.4 per cent, larger than 76, showing 
in this way a gain of 4.4 per cent, to the score having the 
greater number of hits, but in the lower color ; and I also 
find in per cent, of possible scores a gain in both ; to the 
29 hits a gain of about 3 per cent., and to the 30 hits about 
11 per cent. 
“Massasoit” will thus see that I would notdo away with 
the comparative results, even in his hypothetical case, 
unless there was a wide variance between the number of 
hits, and to argue the case on averages is exactly what 
I propose to do to substantiate my proposition. The un¬ 
usual scores cited was to show that there were eases de¬ 
serving of an equity, not to he had in the present valua¬ 
tion. 
Be it remembered, I referred to long-range shooting, 
viz.: the York Round, wliich will be the distances mostly 
used in competition by our archers. At this round the 
possibilities are largely in excess Of the probabilities, with 
one exception—Ford’s unequal score of 1,241 at the 
Double York Round; the higtiest scores made in England 
for many years average less than five to a hit, showing 
that there’are more hits in black and white than in gold 
and red, by their best archers ; and the average is much 
less. This being the case, and there being a.possibility of 
a chance gold counting more than two blacks and tw o 
whites, I submit that chauce may carry off the palm as 
against merit; that the chauce would be lessened by the 
valuation, and an increase made in actual score in their 
per cent, of possible score. “ Perfection is our aim,” says 
“Massasoit.” Yes, 1 answer, and to that end let usdo those 
things that will bring us as near perfection as possible. 
In this long-distance shooting one may feel proud of the 
day that the majority of his shots hit the target and 
“approximate the mark;” and to such the premium is 
due in relative proportion. Let us not continue a pre¬ 
mium to chance by the excessive valuation of a portion 
of the largest. A. S. Brownell. 
American vs. English Again.—N ew York, Jan. 9 fh. 
— Editor Forestand Stream :— Will you kindly' allow me 
a little space in your valuable paper to say a few words 
in answer to “ N. K. D.” on the subject of bows, although 
his letter contains nothing new 7 , not even the puff given 
Mr. Aldred; only some of his statements are so contrary 
to the experience of the archers in this part of the coun¬ 
try that they ought not to be passed by. I have handled 
very many of Mr. Aldred's hows, which are undoubtedly 
as good as those of any English makers, and know they 
do not stand this climate ; on the contrary, the universal 
complaint is, that they break very easily. Members of 
the Buffalo Club,.the Oritani Archers, and many others, 
will bear me out in this statement, and as to yews, I do 
not think I ever saw a yew r that had outlasted two sea¬ 
sons’ work. As to Spanish yews, costing only $20 landed 
here, I doubt. They cannot he sold in London for less 
than $30 or $40, and then they are far from first-class. 
Mr. Carver told me his how cost $125. As to the how 
making the scores, I refer him to Mr. W. B. D. Gray, 
whose score (the highest) he publishes in his article. Mr. 
Gray, the champion, Avon his prizes with a cheap lance- 
wood, 
Gan Mr. Kyle give us an authentic statement of the 
arrows shot with his Spanish yew, and can he beat Mr. 
Beecher’s record of 0A 7 er 8,000 30-inch arrows, shot with 
his split-bamboo ? See Forest and Stream of last 
week. 
As to American makers overcharging, I am afraid “ N. 
K. D." is not posted. He can buy a good bow of Ameri¬ 
can make for $2.50 to $4.50. I had one in use for one 
season which cost $4.50 ; it pulls forty-nine pounds and is 
as good as ever, 
Yew bows are going out of use more and more. 
Many an archer who has paid $30 to $100 on yews has 
given them up in disgust and taken to American how s 
made by manufacturers who have confidence enough in 
their work to warrant against breaking. 
W. Holberton. 
National Archery Association.— The regular annual 
business meeting of the National Archery Association of 
the United States will be held at the office of Henry C. 
Carver, Esq., Corresponding Secretary, No. 25 Wabash 
avenue, Chicago, Illinois, on the 28th day of January, 
1880, Besides the regular election of officers for the en¬ 
suing year, much business of importance will come be¬ 
fore the Association, and it is desirable that every Society 
which is a member of the Association be duly represented 
by its proper delegate, 
Henry O. Carver, Maurice Thompson, 
Corresponding Secretary. President. 
Christmas Score.— Chicago, Dee. 25th, 1879.—The 
team of the Northside Archers shot three Bcores of 30 ar¬ 
rows each at 40 yards :- - 
1st 30. 
Mr. Hope.30 168 
Mr. G. Conklin..20 159 
Mr..f. WI|]cIsi»j..3U 168 
Mr. AV. Conklin..24 138 
2d 30. 
30 198 
27 145 
at j at: 
23 116 
New Year’s Score.—W abash 
Round:— 
25 127 72 370 
Merry BoAvmen—York 
ino Fas. 
Will H. Thompson.31 1X7 
Maurice Thompson.36 102 
TOeo. Meehan . 1H 83 
John A. Booe.. 13 51 
AV. E. Brewer.22 90 
M. C. Klein. 9 33 
80 ras. BO Fas. Total. 
38 178 20 91 89 389 
34 174 20 86 80 363 
24 88 21 83 04 204 
29 119 19 79 61 249 
JS. 56 20 94 60 240 
13 45 17 75 39 153 
During the shooting at the 80 yards range Maurice 
Thompson got a score of 50 with six successive arrows— 
four golds and two reds. The day was very fine for the 
season. 
The Five Jolly Archers.— Rochester, N. Y. Jan. 10 th, 
1880.—Four members of the Five Jolly Archers Club, 
of this city, had a practice shoot on the afternoon of 
January 9th, for the first time siuce November 1st. 
Only 25 arrows were shot, owing to darkness coming 
on; 30 yards; 27 inch target: with the following result:— 
MUs. Scoi'f: | Hits. Scare. 
Mrs. W. R. Lansing.25 140 Forties Potter. _ 23 150 
Clarence Williams 24 178 W.H. Reid.34 180 
This is the first (season of the Club’s existence, although 
some of the members have had some previous practice. 
During the past summer we have done better shooting 
than the above, but we think this fair, after so long a 
rest._W. R. L. 
ffluhting and 
YACHT RACING ASSOCIATION. 
Editor Forest anil Stream 
Tho article in your paper of last week Under tlie heading, “ Fail¬ 
ure of the Y, K. A.," was published under a misapprehension of the 
facts, and is calculated to injure both the object and those gentle¬ 
men who have given so much time and study to the matter during 
the past year. It is not consistent with reason that a paper so ably 
edited as Forest and Stream, the chief object of which is to cul¬ 
tivate ataste for healthy sports, would willfully attempt to crush 
an effort to increase the interest in one of the most manly and 
healtb-gi viug of all the pastimes advocated in its columns. 
Your opposition, therefore, is due, no doubt, to a mistaken be¬ 
lief that the delegate representing a Brooklyn club was tho active 
agentinthis movement, and that iuyour estimation he was not a 
properperson to follow. ■ without assuming anything in refer¬ 
ence to the character or standing of the delegate to whom you 
refer, I simply desire to state the facts, and to ask you, in the 
name of justice and fair dealing, to give us a hearing. 
The idea of forming an Association, or Yachting Congress, com¬ 
posed of delegates from tho various clubs in and around Now 
York, originated with the New Jersey Yacht Club more than a 
year ago. They published several articles in the New York 
papers and sent aprin ted circular to the yacht elubsiu New York 
and violnlty. The Columbia Club seconded these efforts almost 
from the beginning, and upon it has devolved tliegreatestamoun 
of labor. 
At the first call for a meeting of representatives, nine sets of 
delegates appeared. A delegate from the Salem (Mass.) Club ad¬ 
vocated a National Association, which met with unanimous ap- 
proval. A Brooklyn representative offered the resolution ap¬ 
pointing a committee to draft an address to the yacht clubs of the 
Uhited States. This committee was appointed by the Chairman, 
and consisted of One from each of the clubs represented. Mr. 
John Frick, of the Columbia, prepared the address, and it lias 
neen sent all over the United States. Already many favorable 
responses have boon received, and had It not. been for tlie article 
in question, the delegates would have been called together about 
the 25th inst.; but doubtless they will deem it best, uoder the cir¬ 
cumstances, to delay the caU until February, in order to give 
those clubs who may have been influenced thereby an opportu¬ 
nity to be represented. 
From this you will readily perceive that the person to whom 
your article refeired has had very little to do so far InfUis effort 
to build up a National Assooiation composed of representatives 
of qlubs from all parts of our country 
Nm York, Jan . 12th, 1880. , One op the Committee. 
Tho above came to hand shortly before going to press. 
As it explains the position of affairs fully, we are glad to 
Insert it. 
The only complaint we have to make is that tin's and 
similar explanations were left till the eleventh hour, vir¬ 
tually compelling us to give voice to the objections made 
to the movement by a portion of the public. Our corre¬ 
spondent is-right in his surmise that the only objection 
on our part was caused by the presence on the Commit¬ 
tee of a person distasteful to honest people.. As his influ¬ 
ence has uoav been effectually killed, we call upon all 
yacht clubs to give the proposed Y. R. A. the fullest sup¬ 
port, and to aid in bringing about the great boon of united 
action and legislation among yachtsmen, 
The Peerless.— Tin's famous racing schooner has been 
sold to Francis Hathaway, of New Bedford, Mass. 
Mr. Maxwell, her former owner, is building a new 
schooner, eighty feet long, full description of which will 
appear in this journal. 
The Elephant. —This sloop, formerly the property of 
Mr. J. G. Prague, has been sold to Mr. Johnson, of 
Poughkeepsie, and “up-river" yachtsmen will learn 
what a flyer she really is. Mr. Prague is having a larger 
ship built, of which more anon. 
The Embassadress.— Mr. Aster’s big schooner has been 
laid up at City Island. She left St. John's River, Florida, 
Deo. 30th, 1879, and reached this port Jan. 8tb, after 
seeking shelter under the lee of Delaware Breakwater 
Jan, 6th, from a heavy northeast gale and high cross sea. 
Report says she behaved admirably, though she seems to 
have labored and rolled heavily. Her owner and friends 
came home by rail. 
