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FOREST AND STREAM. 



[Atwtst 10, 1883. 



Whe Memtd, 



FIXTURES. 



BENCH SHOWS, 

 April a, 4, 6 and 0, J88S, Western Pennsylvania BoUltry soo.eiv '.- 

 lUtl. &nnwd I i c ■. I ittsburgb, Pa, Sntfloa Cai b B , 



■ ' ■. r. !■..■ , i ss.-m-rs ivboipea on or attar March 1. 188* 



' '-'■ I ■■ ■■ • i'"- J;/ 1 '-'. '" '■ Line.., hi. .Superluleudont. 1. R. Slay- 



FIELD TBI ' 



esso-nibi-fl.— Nafloiud Anita-Iran Kennel Club Field Trials on Trali-ie 

 OEucWs, 'Fairmont. Minn. Entries for On " ■■ ■■■ close July 1, lor Uu 

 l,S ■■ ii-".: '..in uhia, .- a.. 8< cretary 



November 17 -Eastern Field Trials Olub r;.-i-i rn., !■-. or Quail, near 

 High Point., N. ('. tCulrios fertile Derby close Julv 1. For tho All 

 Aged and Members' Slake. November 1. F. X. Hall, P. O. Uox 884, 

 New York. SoCrCtary. 



December 4 -National American Kennel Club Field Trials on Quail, 

 Urantl junction, Temi, D prj son, 11 mpbis, real]., Secretary. 



December n- Now Orleans uun CIul I lei I Mala or Quail, Opelou- 



«iw. La. Km . ' .■ ',.,.,.,, ,.|1. J i;. ':, ti.iu-1. s.-eretary. New 



Orleans, Las Entl-los for ilm Club Cup el, .so December 1. 



grand field dog, the Gordon setter; but as your correspondent 

 "V." has not done so, I will. Idstone, 'in speaking of the 



GORDON AND BLACK AND TAN SETTERS. 



Edilt 

 Thl 



Mora* 



endet 



wish. 



wd.l, 



eqnn lly hard and 



. _jgard - i m in of the i 



"Vitus" iu •-■ ". ii ■■ .i i.' ■. . .1 ■ ■ 



end what good cau ho do for abrei 



ins tO be made Up of cuutradic- 



' ■ ■ ' .\ mack controversy is ju-l. 



; "i.orr manner, and now""Vltus" 



useful eontrovery i 



'. . ! 

 Hist 



Era 



i himself; 



i tl ' I' ally is si 



:,,.ii i ,. doing so 



pretend to be ho gr 

 May ! a* "Vitiu 

 a study- i 



over ha v ill -■ been ei 



What • '. . - . 



'I ' 



he is only detracting 



Outage the black and tan Gordon 

 i or Irish potter, why Rhould he 



It, as hollas made setters 

 ii a hlaok and t;ui setter 



a or shown - an English setter. 

 have! be pros blaekana 



^ as much as black and tan or 

 should 

 ir "the 



e.s Em 



1,1a 



: .1 ...Hi 



tbiM Sodi 



goes out of his way to prove that the Gordon setter 

 is a uiougro], aud by so dolus; he detracts from ono of his 

 wa.nri'hi.i eiends uota pleasant sortof friend to have, I sliould 

 say— and feal tin • indthat Stonehenge says so. All Stone- 

 "i ' res is beie.viv evidence, which nowadays will not be 

 I. Another writer says that coll ie blood was infused 

 b* i !i" Duke on I bodon into his broad. Be these a, si rt a ei- as 

 they may. we have now got a breed of dogs whose pedigree 

 we can trace as Accurately as any English or Irish setter. 

 The-:- p. .'decrees would be worthless if their repiv... m;..i la'.'e- 



ibd not. show certain distinctive marks of breeding. "Vitus" 

 cannot deny that th'- original setters bred at Gordon Castle 

 won-' f, a the most part, block, and Lord Lovat. who pur- 



.'iins;d ilr- st si n v.-., on rim t (onion I 'a.si.le kennel was broken 

 up. bred black white Lnd ; I lorflon setters. Why should 



'. m-'mss .i.' ' nd '•:.■'"• ilprwal -" ' by 



'''"".."',..- !. ■■■ pup bj a ' i ud i. an was considered , -. more 



su ' tldopthai] he bl ick, ■ hi - Indian. 



'.'.,!, i . i ii-o at all lovers of the 



' i i ■. at, hoar! and that, is how is he to be im- 



rfrovedi Mr. ij.avesa.ek improved the English setter by 



breading up bo a certain standard whiohi lie considered the 



E roper one, arid fltr. Llewelliu seeing certain faults in the 

 asvero. do, . has endeavored bv his breeding of Enjrlish soi- 



i" thi .: u.l lets to a certain extent •-Mieceodod, 



tod I ha ve no doubt but some other enthusiast will improve 

 on the UeweUiu setter. Ko I hope it, will be with the Gor- 

 don. Sir, ld.:on has his idea-, of what they should be, Mr. 



-I i i.sshjs. andas both i 1 »e - at m a have the true 



|,,ee ...i the Be ' l" i - itt " 'is 1 1 a a, I B kve not the least doubt 

 but that the;, will succeed In making great improvement < 



i ■ as th '■ ''.us as ' ' hi .- i u.s idea til 



Gordon setter has b ■ ■ 'si a too 1 



Inis'tli,' article of "Vitus/ 



consider hiiii an enemy of the nobli 

 foolhti.nlicipss to c.'i.ll h'iiiiself the w: 



He must have had vor\ lit :.i e-.j,. 

 tar and less of the Irish wis 



is Ii a sil . ; the Irish for all bis gc 



i dontal all wish to be like "Viti 

 Irish and thus rim him down, but I 



don setter, t 



.i import in 

 used to- il-, s , . , 

 finding BC o b 

 of the Go ■■'•' 

 in their power to im 

 in the field 



What, we want to 

 mine the other dai 

 "I i i ■ his work, a 



„"■-!.:; 



modern 

 eavily made animal. No 

 just published, but must 

 dog of which he has the 

 •m friend. 



■ii nee of the Gordon set- 

 3 that the Gordon setter 

 id qualities. 



3," a warm friend of the 

 will say this of the Gor- 

 LH-: and tractableness, 

 3 in a dog that has to be 

 erallv are used for— i. c, 

 Let all lovers 

 ry means 



; and 



mg 

 Get 

 a "big 

 the bri 



us the 



e of his i 



propei 



e him and get back his lost prestige 



Iv stated bva friend of 

 liked a dog with a. big 



respond to the enoourag- 



lt is principallv wanted. 

 e it his: or Uttio, aud put 

 hented eharacterLstics of 

 ii-ine the. tlordon forward 

 '. M. B. 



nd. 



first bi 



,;/>,,< 



' . . ., s .. " 



In vour issue ot the B7Uh July, an article written under the 



si ■ s prov Ions issue in May he writes under the. 



■ in a plum 'Vitus." As your correspondent rephes to 



me, ph'.asc. permit, : dim. where he states many 



persons are. of the ojiiuiou that the Dnke of (iordonwas the 



oi'i,e'inator of the I tl sand he presumes, he says, 



from the tone 01 mi letter; t am one of these, I will staaj in 

 reply (,o this assertion that 1 have never yet. seen or read evi- 

 dent ■ ittC i ' s . m where ifhis ooible strain Of setters 

 did originate, bui am sufficiently satisfied to gf¥e the Duke of 



em'" n s ; them alter him, its has been done 



s , so 'on c.j lmot doubt, I hope, that 



i.i.i S" lb" isi' - of Gordon we probably i - 



would nave kn id be i able to perpetuate tb.'" "' 



ultra of setters, and tus they certa' 



prominently before the publie by the 



; i , ■ I ;■.'.', i a herd s Idsto 



b .t I say. Idstom- .-las.-ilie; 



Irish aud Gor Ion. and vs 10 ■ :1 I' 



s . i, ,i ■ ■ i , , is ., ; ' 

 ...... , , o -s. Is " 



, ,, ■ .ii 1 1, on i a ■ . lordo 

 or La.'craeks have. Now U, 

 all admirers ol Ma. Ion ins 



Mr. Editor, if yui 



in ,".0 i. Jill SO "I 



, ■ ' , i , ,, . tioaii 



do j should be bred for Utility, w uy, jur. rjuiuor, 



Khaw, nio ■ i" n 'S'l'oo, '\'.--,|!ioi.-s, tolls us " 

 i,-, ..I. l>s. loaiucl o.sas far higher th 

 , .■ .■ i" i. , i os, atnlage. 

 " nOastle wasal,'. i. s looffod u[ 



i family 



nk, will be the dei 



W I think this 



o;s 



in of those 



tation from 

 »ssod of no 



Gordon 



impurity of blood.' 



-orpiidns' bi mo that one whose, knowledge of 



' | to be made up from books alone 



liouhl have neglected to tall us what Idsbone. says about this 



Gordon setter, says: '"Much hti 

 quality, and dogs with any tra> 

 blood command the highest 

 Regent, Old Bangs, Old Dan, 

 Fan, for Mr. Took and the 

 ik is ample warrant f» 



Pal 



uthe 



stock is ample wtrraut b-r purity of liros, he. see 

 states, "he has boon .assured bv' e-nl lemon Still liv 

 who shot with the Duke, thiit there wei'o numbers 

 and tan setters at Gordon Castle." but that ho. also \. 

 prized breed, and shot over black, white and tans, 

 the. list of dogs so Id at the Duke's sale, and State! 

 and says- "without doubt, these, formed onlj t par 

 kennel for I have heard that a race ot hi. a ': so, I is, 

 white ft-ills went to the Duke of Abercorn, and tl 

 others went to the Did-. ■ of A v , . baud Viscounl Ro'ji 

 the latter of whom received one which was giVB 

 Duke of Argyle- »B a present just at or before tie 

 Gordon's death.'' He further states "he has seen be 

 ters of the black and tan than any other breed." 

 In speaking of Kent, he says: "He won the grand gold 



3 day. btit he probably 

 •olov and large stat- 



medal in France. He was fine" 

 imposed upon many judges by 



ure," which imposition, I claim 



size to-dav. by breeders always looting after tliese prize wm- 

 nore on the bench, and seeking them for stud purposes and 

 perpetuating these monstrosities, winch "V." would have as 

 believe were caused by bloodhound cross, hlsfame further 

 says "he has often wondered what the public would have 

 thought it they had seen Lord Bolingbroke's Argyle." He 

 tells us "lie was a narrow, deep made, rncv looking dog, oil 

 true pure Gordon blood." (Now here is an entirely di Iterant 

 si vie dog, and he in Kent's dav was iu form, and from all one 

 can learn from books, what I 'havo been pleased to term the 

 light-weight Gordon setter, and of the style of those, shot 



bv Duke of Gordon, 

 Stonehenge prove this conolus 

 Editor. I would like to ask yo 

 tended a bench show, and if 



held in New York, at Gihuon 

 call to Ids mind soin 

 other words, what I 



l.y 



all Lhc 



ami. 



e-ities cx< 



J 



I'orrcs] 

 did Iu 



iarden 



j'nden 



attei 



I Ifli 



. if he o oi 

 d the Brat 

 S did. I w< 



tyle Gordon; 



xeept 



Duke 



oral Others wl: 

 lot he did not 

 to-day. These do; 



all light weights; pi 

 Shot. Mr. Mimn 



d Mr. Ttlley's Dream I., and sev- 

 1 1 t o mind at pre tent. In all this 

 il like those we see on the bench 

 ept for field work, and have left 

 and daughters behind theiu as grand as their illustrious 

 in the field This style dog you never see at the bench 

 show, now the Stonehenge standard has driven them off, and 

 their heavy relatives, bred for bench show business, allowed 

 (fully to take their place. 



r correspondent seems to ipiestion my navingpure bred 

 Gordons of light weight. Evidently he ha's seen but few ot 

 ly kind. After reading the above, and I tell him my light 

 •ight beauties traee directly back to the dogs 

 spoken of by Idstone. and i 

 letter, he. will then find his a 

 their veins he will find runs as p 

 And to the assertion 111 

 il, is as falsi 



this 



■dtos 



ive shown 

 list for scv 



f kenn 

 ' doe 



i Lb 



by aU, am 

 . to th< 

 Editor, 1 1. 



ng a little, too far off the book learning that 

 i more familiar with, so I will give him a few more lines 

 l Idstone that I hope will help to show him that I am 

 eet in mv views as regards the Gordon setter previous to 

 ;h shows. Idstone says, "The Rev. Mr. Hutchinson, a 

 .shire clergyman, who writes under the name of Sixtv-one. 

 soinegood ones, especially as regards name, speed; aud 

 the Marquis of Huntly who never passes by a good one if it is 

 to be obtained, he has Silk and young Kent, both bred by 

 Idstone. The latter except that he has not tip-top speed, ft 



it, find aud quarter his gro 



of Dandy, < 



seps 



Mr 



.f the best di „ 

 Inch 1 ever broke, but he 

 juld wish him." In speaking of Dand 

 Fleming, of Kiflkerran House, lie says he 



laking ninety or oue hundred points at the first field tried 

 _ rflrneld, at which, he says, he was one of the judges, Mr. 

 Fdilor, I will have to ask you to please pardon me for mak- 

 ing this article of much more length than I at first intended. 

 but when one has to deal with one whom he presumes, from 

 Is writing, to be a book-worm and not a practical sports- 

 an, fond of following good Gordon setters in quest of game, 

 in will readily understand how this article has grown una 

 ■ares. I will close it at once by saying I will not answer V. 

 • Vitus, as he. styles himself, unless he treats me, as I have 

 him, by writing over his own signature. Harry- Malcolm, 

 Baltimore, Aug. i. 



In this connection we publish the following, which will at 

 least prove new to the friends of the Gordon. It is written 

 bv "Strathbogie" to our London contemporary, the Stoel;- 

 Esejwr. He says: "It may interest some of the Stdtk- 

 Kcrjier readers to know how the black white and tan setters 

 were first bred, but I do not give it as authentic, but as the 

 tale was told me by an old man loiu manaoeraL Kinnivie. and 

 who was intimate* with ,Iubb, the late Duke of Gordon's heiul 

 keeper. On my return to dear Aberdeen two weeks ago, i 

 chanced to come across the old person referred to, and he 

 assured me that the 'white' color was_ produced by crossing 

 with the Spanish pi 



Mr. Horatio Ross t 

 readers wish to hear wh 

 I shall write, him for the 

 has sported with the lat 

 a truer sportsman, or a 

 highlands of Scotland 

 known to him, I feel stir 



Gordo 



: a better shot, 



Ions in all the 

 ing personally 

 information.'' 



Editor Forest and Strmm: 

 In your issue of July 27 appears an article 

 l Gordons aud black and tans. As mv name 





ri th it I will a 



ments thereon. He clai; 

 gives Stonehenge as his authc 

 certainly proves no such thim 

 of, unless a person is silly em 

 that he thought probably it vi 

 sportsman of to-dav cannot 

 weakness. Tile coat of a Goi 

 bles a bloodhound, aud the 

 really possesses the excellouis 

 be traced to another source, 

 parison of black and tan sett 

 dons, in your issue of May ;: 

 son to show the s' " 



•lai 



rith the direc 



stead of > 



thu 



of the Scotch or Gordon setter at the expense of tb» 



Irish. 



There has not been a black aud ti 

 years past, but as selfish men are i 

 others their own selfish notions. X v. 

 bag that in my experiencj with Iris 

 had nothing to spare toward the im 



breed. In V" 'ill I ,,'',...'.", 01 



Mo.-jhiu-, Aug, 1,1888) 



n setter in my kennel fer 

 ver ready to impute t* 

 ill pass that over by say* 

 i setters, many of tham 

 3iovement of any other 

 ie term Gordon, if' he will 

 is known as a Gordon set- 

 Ige my error in supposing 

 So far as changing tho 

 vs is concerned I 



I continue to'do so let the 

 iere should be no scale at 

 ie- of setters to-day, and 

 ly former period of the 

 i the bold and slashing 

 ud uncontaminated by a 



John Davidson. 



THE COCKER SPANIEL. 



Etlitnr Fore*! and Stream: 



I wish to thank Mr. Kirk for his very courteous reply to my 

 letter of inquiry of June W. I should have made the aos 

 kuowledgment sooner, but have been absent. For tho sama 

 reason Ihave not carefully aimlyr.ed the standard of the A. 

 ■e.d to criticise it. Mr. Kirk says 

 si si i... o.o e„d exhibitor." This is 

 tor the term as commonly ac- 

 n willing to plead guilty-to. My 

 solely for the purpose of obtain- 

 ipugti the motives of the judge 



0. S. Club, and am not. prepa 

 that I am "apparently a d 

 hardly a proper clossuiQatiozi 



cepted implies more than 1 a 

 motive in writing to you was 

 ing information, aud not to ii 

 or to hold him up to the pub! 

 dishonest, which appears to 1 

 disappointed exhibitor. No, 

 self to harbur any feelings of 

 capable tt judge as I believe 

 have the leisure time I shall i 



ithod of the 

 re loo much respect for my- 

 kind, especially toward so 

 Kirk to be. As soon as I 

 . . .fully go over the standard of 

 the A. C. S. Club and may jo: downsome of the ideas that 

 occur to me should I deem tnem Of importance. 1 also "wish 

 to thank M. B., whose letter appears in the same number, 

 and to say to him that the length of my favorite cooker is al- 

 most three times his height at th* shoulder. The exact figures 

 are 10^' inches at the shoulder and :29 inches from nose to 

 root of" fail. His coat is decided ly wavy ; and, my dear M. 

 II. . allow mo to say , with all dot irence to your opinion, 1 con- 

 sider it Ids chief beauty, and would not part with a single 

 wave, not. even to secure a prize. There, is not. the suspicion of 

 a .-iii-i I., a single hair of his body, only waves, and Stone- 

 henge says that the coat should be "slightly wavy." Possibly 



. - s I.. is- oa'ixed, as I have not iStouehenge at hand, 



but as M. B. seems to have about the same idea of his points 

 for the cocker that 1 entertain, perhaps he will do me the 

 favor to give "Spaniel" chapter aud verse. Cooker. 



Toronto, Aug. 7, 1B8S, 

 if, and Strmm : 



nd lovers of the sporting cocker will read with 

 :st the. following letter from "Stonehenge," 

 s the undisputed position in England and Amer- 

 vherever dogs are intelligently bred and used, of 

 eatest living authority oil the dog. 

 ieel well assured, will have the hardihood to pit 

 n against that, of "Stoneheuge," and I 

 : Cocker Spaniel Club can point with 

 i such a complete indorsation of its 



tbink the A 

 pardonable ] 

 "standard" by tne great autuor. 



To my fellow-members oi the "( 

 "Scnex," I take this opportunity of 

 our standard being a "false and perni 

 and wicked injustide, aud a blot, < 

 disgrace to the Same of the cocker 

 the proud distinction of being thorc 

 highest possible authority in the ea 

 "b'toueliemre." I may say that 1 hi 

 sion to publish his letter; and in v. 

 recent 



'oeker Club," including 

 saying that matead oil 

 ciousone," causing "foul 

 i scandal and a burning 

 spaniel," it has obtained 

 ughly supported by the 

 nine world, the famous 



u-liest opportii 

 opinion 



which i 



USf feel 1' 



Remembering the very friendly feelings quite recently ex- 

 pressed by him in correspondence with me regarding tho 

 Cocker Club. 1 can only think that he. must have allowed tho 

 wrath engendered by a dyspeptic attack to overmaster his bet- 

 ter judgment. I would iike to see his pen better employed 

 than in throwing mud at the club of which lie was so recently 

 an enthusiastic member. Yours truly, J, F. Kirk, * 



OOP* OF I.ETTKU KKOII ".STONEHENGE." 



"TtrE I'Telli," Mlfi Strand, I 

 London, W. C., July 27, I8S3. \ 



Dear Sir— I have read with pleasure voUr letter iu PoRBM 

 and Stream of the 16th inst, and am quite with you as to tho 

 desirable size of the cooker. You will notice that vour high- 

 est weight is only two pounds less than I have given, viz., 

 "thirty pounds at the. least," and that I express 

 the increased size "militates against their use in s, u'm- coverts." 



In "Dogs of the British Islands" I have doserib. 

 thoy are, aud not as I think thev ought to be. My own opin- 

 ion is quite hj accordance with your standard, and ind d ! 

 can fully indorse the views of "vour club on all points. It 

 must, however, be remembered that in these days of 

 hedgerows a bigger dog can work than iu former times, v< 

 he would havo bean quite unable to force his way throng! 

 small rabbit rims which a 



" J. F. Kirk, Esq. 



■ doi 



ay 



e days of 



thiu 





when 



fay throu; 



hthe 



vith. Kin, 



■srelv 



J. H. Wai 





fviifor 

 In la: 



bull rsi 



COLOR OF BULL TERRIERS. 



re.-f and Stream: 



reek's issue "Brindle," in writing about the color of 

 is, .-i,ks, Why is white to be preferred to other col- 

 mi (; qJ \er'o rthaw's Illustrated Book of the Dog, 

 will lind his question answered, and the matter of 

 - gone into. Also by referring to the number of 

 York Country, issued January 19, 1678, 1. find that 

 rge" says: "The color for show purposes must b» 



-ely 



ucy breed, and for several 

 i tne. fancy color. Of course there 

 her colors than white, and for my 

 good, plucky dog as a companion 

 not for the show bench, 1 would as soon have a 

 white, for the brlndles very seldom want cOUr- 

 cll-marked brindle is a. handsome color. 



- I l.f I will toy a few words about bllU- 



anted i 



quality the black and tan possesses came from the Irish, and 

 then goes on to say this being the case, and we have 'till 

 3trongesteyideneetojjrove.it. Where is his evidence: is his 

 mere assertion the strong proof he speaks of I fail t tee) i1 

 in that light, or as proof of anv tiling but egotism. 



Ho further states that I do not want tbi rules changed as i 

 they suit my «wu kennel, and that 1 want, to keep up *« I 



brindle, aud as a rule I think the brindle dogs show tho true 

 els e i nnsilioii ofteuer than the white. In judiiiug bull- 

 dogs 1 think the colors should stand in the following order, 

 viz.: All brindle, whole white, brindle and white, white and 

 brindle. Is this correct? I should like t o hear what others 

 think on this subject. By the by, when are we to see a bull- 

 ..log club for .. v..--.. like the present, or in a fewyears 



our bulldogs v-Ji ba-.-e degenerated into big, thick-he ' " 

 clumsy terriers. Let us beep the breeds distinct. 



Ht5M i 0C& 

 St. Lbonab.1, P. <J. 



