November 10, 1881.] 



FOREST AND STREAM, 



293 



FISHING FOE COUNT, 



PiOlinHsiTKK, N. Y. Nov.l. 

 Editor Forest end Stream ; 



I am in receipt of a letter from a New York gentleman in 

 regard to restocking a trout stream, from which 1 quote a> 

 follows : 



" A party of six Now York men took out of the stream, in 

 less than a week, over eleven hundred trout, keeping d! 

 sv.e?, even liltlc fellows with the burs on their sides for 

 'count.' From present indications, trout (ishinir in that 

 region will soon become extinct unless something is done to 

 pro.leot it from 'counters,'" 



Tins subject is one upon which too much CJinnot be su'd, 

 and the common sense of which every thinking angler can- 

 not fail to see. 



It is impnssibl • to have large, fish if the small ones tire not 

 given time to crow. If a party of gentlemen are out oil a 

 fishing excursion, and do not catch more trout than tbey 

 wish for their table, they are, perhaps, excusable if some of 

 the fhll arc a trifle undersized, but when a party, as my cor- 

 respondent says, each them just fur '•count," t.hey are mis- 

 called when the name of ''sportsmen" is applied tr them. 



It, is a destruction which cannot be replaced, and every 

 angler that throws a tiugcrling into ins basket should feel a 

 sting of the conscience that would not alio v him to do it a 

 second time. Sam Grbkn. 



Uses of Frsrr grass.— Formerly fish skins were of little 

 value and were thrown away from, the establishments which 

 cure fish. Now, says the Gape Ann Advertiaer, " they are 

 selling quickly at twelve dollars per ton," They are used for 

 many purposis, as glue and isinglass for fining- wines and 

 beer, but the last use we have heard for them is gloves. The 

 paper quoted above says : ".Experiments have recently been 

 made with cask fish skins from this city [Gloucester, Mass, 

 which have been made into gloves, which proved very satis- 

 factory. They were soft and pliable, and presented a hand- 

 some appearance." 



Git Loops on Trout Hooks— Washington, D. G., Nov. 

 1.— 1 have used the looped hook, meutioue t by one of your 

 correspondents in a late another for about two years past: 

 and now use no other for black bass fishing in the Potomac ; 

 but I prefer the Harrison S. B. American trout 00 hook to 

 any others.— M. A. T. 



A C.wnors Ckitio— New York, Nov. l—Kd'i-ir Fore$t 

 it m' Stream : One of your correspondents says : "Judge 

 Lord caught a trout with ally that weighed nine pound-." 

 What was the weight of the trout ? "Lord I how this world 

 is given to lying."— Shakespeare.— D. 



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THE MOrOSED HATCHERY FOft LONG ISLAND. 



MEETING of the New York Fishery Commission was held on 

 Tuesdav. November 1, at the rooms of Mr. Roosevelt, 7c, 

 i York cit.v. Present— Hon. II. B. liooscvolt, 

 Ml Mr.'K. G. Blackford. Several maltuv 

 Mr. Roosevelt called on Mr. Mather for his 

 for a fresh water hatchery and a salt water 

 The following was then "offered : 



Chambers sin et, 

 Gen. It. v. Bhern 

 were discussed, : 

 report on a leciti 

 experimental stat 



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Gentlemen— 1 respectful!; submit the following report. In 

 accordance with instructions received from you at your last moot- 

 ing, August i. I have made a careful survey of" many of the 

 streams of Long Island and the salt waters into which thoy 

 empty, and find that on moptof the stromas there is some clement 

 laiking to make them conform to the ideal sito for a fresh and salt 

 water hatchery and experimental station. 



Bflginniug at the eastern end Of the island and coming down the 

 south side, the tirot stream is that occupied by Mr. Goorgo W. 

 Thompson at Novae, three miles west of Sag Harbor, which is jnn 

 miles from New York. Mr. Thompson has a fine stream and a 

 series of small ponds with plenty of fall to the water. It is place 

 is situated about one-quarter of a mile above a large mill-pond, 

 and is about one mile from Become Bay, iuto winch the stream 

 enters. A road runs beiow the mill, and then the stream mean- 

 ders through a Hat to the bay. The mill is owned bv Mr. Henry 

 Chadwiek. of the New York Sun. The largo pond id about twenty 

 feet above tno level of the bay. Bonds for trout could be make 

 above the road, which is the extreme limit of the highest tides. 

 The use of the meadows can be obtained free of china c and .Mr. 

 Chadwiek says that ,; the land above the road can bo had on wry 

 low terms— almost to suit ourselves." The location is a fair one. 

 but far from Now York, aud is not as accessible as might be required. 

 [Diagram shown. J 



At Biver Head, seventy-three miles from New York, is a Due 

 stream about two miles from the village. If is owned by Mr. J. II. 

 l'erkius, aud is used to flood a cranberry meadow. The volume 

 was great, iu a dry time, and it is uow inhabited by trout, some of 

 which are large." fn winter the cranberry meadow is Hooded by 

 closing the gate bilnw, and the water is raised ten feet. Below 

 the dam there is still fall enough to get a head for hatching pur- 

 poses and a Hat on which pond's could be made at small uxpeuse. 

 The stream Hows iu a winding manner iuto IVcomo Bay, perhaps 

 a mile awav. Tho water iu the bay is shallow here and not very 

 salt. Mr. Perkins and Mr. Nat. YV. foster are very anxious to 

 have tho hatchery located there, and will, if uecessury, buy the 

 laud below the dam and let it to the Commission at a nominal 

 sum. They regard tho establishment of a hatchery on Long 

 Island as "a work which will be of great public benefit aud of 

 advantage to the place where it weitnated. Of the stream I oan 

 rePOrfvars favorably, bnl the salt water is not so readily accessible 

 nor so goon It is shallow aud lacks density. It is doubtful if 



Hldt wale: ii-l.es r| eivv !1 a- fai lip PeCOUlO BflV M thfe plaOB. 



At Qsipgne there ja a small stream owned byMnhloii Phillips 

 and leased to Messrs. L. Kke and Dr. Arnold— the latter gentle- 

 man I believe to bo a Now York man. It lacks fall aud in a dry 

 time is small. I report unfavorably on this. 



At Atlanticville is a fair trout Stream which has no pond. It 

 empties into Shiuuecock Bav. It is owned by Hiram Carter and 

 runs through a s« amp with i.lile fall. 



At Patchogne there are some good places for trout, and ponds 

 haye been madethera The stream wb 

 salt water iahafi mall brook pike, ,..■■ 



or K. fafcio.tun, as it has been called. Mr. SWllci Bobinson lias 

 ponds at New Cauaan. uear Patchogue, but at a distance from salt 



'The streams between Patehogue and Bay ahore I did not exam- 

 ine eritieallv, for several reasons. Tlicy are, with lie exseplipu Of 



tl, te owned by the South Side Club aud the "Ore. u l'.i ■ 



BayvUle, of the Bame general character as .■■ 

 streams, fiat and quite warm near the bay. J his to,, 

 not above tlie point ot which trout thrive, would, in my opinion 

 li so if the streams were agaiu expanded in other ponds; and 

 , , , .nuuiublu above Til deg, Another ua-oii was, 



that tho summer residence of Mr. Roosevelt at Sayville would 

 enable him to form a batter judgment on these streams than I 

 could do iu the short time which I could devote to it. 



At Bay Shore tho ponds of Mr. Phelps contain much iron iu 

 solution. This is. asymrare aware, very bad for hatohiug purs 

 nemos, Mr. True owns t small stream between Bay Shore and 

 Babylon but it is too i 1L 



At Babylon. Mr. W rot-taif has a large pond cast of the village. 

 El contain* trout, but the Btream below has iron in it. Mr. E. B. 

 snti n also bas a tergt pond by the road. The strewn below was 

 SVUrrn, C7 deg. in the village Mr. John M. Oakley has a pond with 

 , : i, iug on one side of it, containing iron. Temperature, 



60 do:. At Thayer's paper mill there is a great How and fall quite 

 near salt watn. Temperature, (ill deg. At Mr. Johnsons, west of 

 fjabj - i good How and fall, temperature, 62 deg., and quite 



near halt water, but the flats are overllown aud at very -high tides 

 i comes up to the road which runs just below the large 



pond. I do not think that the water below these large ponds is as 

 desirable aa that from springs or from smaller ponds. 



AtBrcsIau the stream owned by Albert Strong is cool, being 56 

 |, at lacks fall aud is a inde from the bay. 



A small stream at Amity vide, owued by Messrs. James Bennett 

 aud W. Murphy, With the same character as the above. Most of 

 the streams along this part of the. bay are the dividing lines of 

 farms, and therefore owned to the centre by differeut persons, 

 making it, diliicult to get control of them. Heurv Van Ostrand and 

 J. E. Ireland own the next stream. They have a pond often 

 acres and a fall of seven or eight feet at the dam winch is three- 

 quarters or u mile from the bay. 



At South Oyster Bay are Timothy Carmen's ponds, and 

 next to these' Mr. John D. Jones has a large pond one 

 and a half miles from the bay. The temperature of the stream be- 

 low is (iU deg. This gentleman also owub springs on the north 

 shore at Cold Spring, and offers the Fish Commission the free use 

 of any of bis waters. Ma'. Seamau's ponds are abova Mr. Jones' 

 on the same Btream. Then comes the ponds of Mr. Geo. Floyd 

 Jones, followed by those of Mr. YVm. Floyd Joues, who owns the 

 large Mananequa pond. Mr .Moine.ll owns tho next one. These 

 ponds are all more or less warm, and some distance from the bay. 



Near Freeport. is a flat stream in a cedar swamp which is cool, 

 but lacks fall near the bay. 



At Flatlands is a good trout stream, probably the nearest one to 

 Brooklyn containing wild trout. It is owned by Mr. Conovor. I 

 am under obligations to Mr. Edmund Orgill, of Brooklyn, for 

 showing me this stream by driving down with his own horse and 

 buggy. The stream is a good one but rather inaccessible by rail, 

 aud is a long distance from Jamaica Bay to the head of tide 

 water. 



TIIK NOBTIl SIDE. 



At Sctauket, fifty-six miles from Long Island city, is a mill-pond 



containing trout. .Martin Nevius also owns a trout pond. The 



■ 1 tor milling purposes, and in a dry time doos not al- 



Srnitbtown has a Hue stream called the Nissequoge River. A 

 lam ueai the railroad makes a pond some four or lisemdes from 

 do- bay. Above this are the ponds of Mr. Aaron Vail, one of the 

 oldtst'of American trout culfurists. Mr. John M. Tyler is also en- 

 gaged in trout culture hern us well as Mr. J. L.Smith. Mr. 

 Tyler is below tho dam and has small ponds beside the river. 

 Further down the veteran trout-breeder, Mr. Wm. H. Furman, for- 

 ce iriy ( II Ma-petb. lias .just begun the building of ponds. He very 

 kindly showed mo the river and look me a mile or more up it in a 

 boat. M r. 1'iirmau thinks it the best place on the islaud for trout. 

 It certainly is a liuo stream, winding down a valley iu a hod which 

 .1 has cut iu the bottom lands. But these bottoms are overllown 

 :.t lhe Ordinary high tides and Mr. Newton, keeper of a hotel up 

 near the railroad, says that spring tides have been known to raise, 

 iu conjunction with au east wind blowing up the sound, ton feet of 

 water where Mr. Formaii's ponds are, aud that seven years ago bo 

 stepped from the porch of his hotel iuto a boat This would 

 render this location very hazardous. 



Cold Spring, thirty-two mites from Long Island city, has a place 

 titled in all respects' for a trout farm, with facilities for ponds of 

 other fish, within three hundred vards or salt water at low tide. It 

 is owned by Mr. John D. Touts, 'President of the Atlantic Mutual 

 Insurance Company] the gentleman rererred to as having ponds at 

 South Oyster Bay.' Mr. Jones will not aell tho site, hut Offers the 

 commission the free use or his property for five years or more. 

 Mr. Jones and his brothers have three great ponds which are used 

 for milling purposes aud all contain trout, but below these, aud 

 entirely disconnected from them, are springs in tho hill side which 

 formerly turned a woolen mill now unused. These apringH, tho 

 mill for a hatchery and space for ponds on the Hat below to which 

 Salt water domes at high tide, are at the use of your commission. 

 [ report most favorably upon this place. It is a mile and a half 

 from the railroad station, and a Stage meets most trains. 



At Oyster Bav is the pond aud stream of Mr. Butler Coles. The 

 pond is a largo one aud is used to turn a grist mill. When I saw 

 it the pond had been drawn down for repairs, and no water was 

 running iu the raceway, but all went over the dam. It seemed a 

 iinu stream, more tluui snllicieut for use in the mill. The salt 

 water is within a stone's throw of lhe dam at high tide, and prob- 

 ably comes up to it m a northeast storm. There is not a great 

 deal of available space on lhe Hats tor ponds, but the location is a 

 vory fair one. Tho railroad station is Syosset, twenty-nine miles 

 from Long Island Ciiy, and the pond is live miles from the sta- 

 tion. A stage meets all trains ami lands passengers at the post- 

 office at Oyster Ba.v, which is about three-quarters of a mile from 

 Mr. Mr. Coles'. Mr. Benjamin D. Swan and other gentlemen feel 

 an interest in the proposed hatchery and would like to see it lo- 

 cated th-rc if it is thought to be available. Mif. Swan drovo me 

 ov.r the ground aud showed me great attention. Unfortunately. 

 I did not see Mr. Coles. 'The distance from the railroad station is 

 inconcenient. [Diagram of the springs and ponds shoiwi. | 



At Koslyu arc tho trout ponds of Mr. Tuoaias Claphani. There 

 is no mill here. Mr. Claphani was formerly paying much atten- 

 tion to tront culture, but tor the. past few years has devoted bis 

 attention to yacht building aud neglected his ponds, iioslyu is 

 tweuty-tbrco miles from Long Island City, aud tho ponds are 

 about a mile tiom the Btation. There are line springs and a stream 

 Which heads a short distance above. There is also a rudo hatch- 

 ing house which can be temporarily used, as well aa some small 

 ponds which need repairs. Salt water is within about three hun- 

 dred vaids id low tide and half that distance at high tide. lean 

 also report most favorably on this place. While Lore with Mr. 

 Blackford we were both thrown from a wagon and wore both so 

 badly bruised that it prevented conversation «db Mr Ciapbam on 

 tho subject of using bis waters, but I believe that Mr. Blackford 

 • i him i:,d perhaps knows his views. To obtain the 

 l ,.11 laoiliKes which this place offers it would be necessary to pur- 

 chase a piece of property above. Mr. Claphain iu order to use the 

 stream. 



In c inclusion I would sav that while tho East End aud the 

 Southaide mayhavo at preaentm n sea lishcs lit fo/ food, the 

 time has been \'\ hi u the- ti-lies now found ttiore were common to 

 the North Side. ■ ■^•^ living, uear Cola Spring, who 



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;;,gi;-Ti and other vs 

 Sound, aud Spanish mackerel 

 while the striped bass ttro Of I 

 Old Field, uear Sctauket. has t 



iters of tho 

 ion there, 

 . Smith, of 



r h I looked mainly for a good trout stream contiguous 

 : ic trout, perch, blaekbass aud 

 caip might iV- propagated and the sea Behes at least observed. 

 It will he diiH suit to establish a hatchery for salt wati c 

 whore on Long Island, foi- the. reason that the Commission oan- 

 not, iu its present financial state, lish lor tho spawning lish, which 

 ore rare, and they do uot Buutu lo spawn freely in any one place 

 north oi Chesapeake Buy. But, with a rcudy access to salt water, 



axon can be prepared to take advantage of the aaei- 



dental capture ol spawning :i-h by the .isheruieu, or to act in 



connection with lLn I nited stares Fish Commission, which is now 



the i I •; dish nmckcrel and other fishes, 



aud, bv a simple arnuuement ol live boxes bo pn pi red to receive 



such fry as ; they may have to dispose of, or of the introduction 

 ol foreign sea fishes, and keep them tor distribution in such waters 

 as in their judgment may seem pr.per. 



luthis view of the ease, I would recommend the places at Cold 

 Spring and Roslyu as the two best for the work, giving preference 

 to lhe former. Riverhead and Oyster Bay as the next two, giving 

 lhe latter preference on account of its pn, i mil', , , ;>■ ciiv aud 

 the quality of its salt water. Pbed. Matu'er. 



Mr. Sherman then offered the following ; '■ /,'. so n ,;, That the 

 thanks of this Commission are due to Mr. cud. Mather, rot the 

 careful examination he has made with re! at i ' 



fiou for a hatchery on Lo'-=g Island, and for lhe satiafaol ci y report 

 on the subject bebas submitted to this Board, and ihal the pub- 

 lishers of the Fouest asd SmEAM be requested to publish such 

 report in their paper." 



Mr. Blackford made a motion to the effect that the President 

 appoint some one to wait on Mr. Joues and have the necessary 

 papers drawn, which were afterward to be submitted to the mem- 

 bers of tlio Board. Carried; and the President appointed Mr. 

 Blackford to negotiate with Mr. Jones. The meeting then ad- 

 journed, to meet again early iu December. 



FISHCULTCRAL NOTES. 



r PHE annual yearly shipment of 10,000,000 young salmon has 

 -L lately been made from the United States fish hatchery ou the 

 McClond Kiver, California, to the Fast in chargo of the Superin- 

 tendent of the establishment, Livingston Stone. Mr. Ittchardsou, 

 who remains in charge of the place during the absence of Mr. 

 Stone, is engaged in hatching the 2,500,000 young salmon pur- 

 chased each year by the State for distribution in California waters. 

 The State Fish Commissioners, who receive the young salniou 

 from the hatchery, make the regular distribution, which has been 

 the main cause of increasing the uumbers of the fish in the rivers 

 of California, aud increasing the number of canueries. It is be- 

 lieved that Oregon will also soon follow the example to iucroaso 

 the rish supply by artificial means. 



The carp for the Eastern States wiU be soon shipped from the 

 National carp ponds at Washington dued to the applicants, by- 

 express, arrangements having been made with the express com- 

 panies for low rates, which are to be pad bv those receiving them. 

 The cans are to be left with the express company, who will return 

 them to Washington, unless the leceiver wishes to retaiu them, 

 when he can paytlie company two dollars each for them. About 

 a thousand extra, fish will be seut to Mr. E. G. Black- 

 ford, of the New York Fish Commission, vvho will receive and 

 distribute them from his place of business, Fulton Market. Tho 

 fi6h are larger this year than in previous years. The number 

 which each person will receive will depend on the number of fish 

 seut aud the number of applies ■ 



la May last, the Pacific Mail Steamer Colon took out thirty car]) 

 for Ecuador, in charge of Mr. Aguirre. They were sent by Pro- 

 fessor Baird through Mr. Blackford, of tho New York fish Com- 

 mission, and as after their arrival iu Ecuador thoy still had a ten 

 days' journey to the plantation of Siguor Jijon, near tho city of 

 Quito, upou "the backs of Indian carriers, they required special cans 

 for their transportation. A letter announces their safe arrival ; 

 and this may fairly be considered the greatest feat of carp trans- 

 portation vet attempted. The cans were made of strong tin, flat- 

 tened ou one side to fit a man's back, with places for the strap, 

 which passed across the Indian's forehead, from which they de- 

 pended. They were covered with felt and had perforated wooden 

 covers to protect them from the tropical heat, and, when filled 

 with water, weighed one hundred pounds. The water waB not 

 changed from tho lime of leaving New York, but was ierated by 

 dippers. Mr. Aguirre accompanied them to the end of their 

 journey, Messrs. Hoadloy & Co., the Hew York agents, having 

 given every facility on shipboard. Ten days' jonrney ou the back.- 

 of men, in" a tropieal climate, seems enough to break down the 

 endurance of oven a carp. 



Mr. Calvin Fletcher, Fish Commissioner of Indiana, recently lefl 

 Washington with ten cans of carp for distribution in his State. 

 Ho arrived at Spencer, Ind., without losing a fish and had not 

 chauged the water since loaving Washington, haviug merebj 

 a.rated it with a dipper. 



FISHWAYS ON THE OSWEGO RIVER— Oswego, N Y., Nov. 

 1.— Soundings are to bo made immediately as a preparatory step 

 to putting the ftshways iu the dams of the Oswego Biver between 

 this city and Fulton. ' If the weather continues favorable and high- 

 water delays for a short time it is believe! tho work will be com 

 plotcd this fall. I expect that the McDonald lishway will bo used 

 aurlhopo lo see themiu working order next season. — Veteean. 



Answers to §arres^amleufs. 



ta^NO NOTICE TAKEN OF ANONYMOUS COMMUNICATIONS 



O, I.. I,.— Cannot furnish design for boat at present I 



Batsai-.— Receipt lor mildew and cleaning sails in noxt Issue. 



W. 1). T.— Plan? of Newport catboat in our Issue of Feb. T, lfiis. 



It. C. II., lloarne. Texas.— Will write as soon as we And what yov 

 want . 



A. K.-h'or plans of ice boats see supplement* Scientific American 

 No>. i and 03. 



F. S., Bristol, Pa.— Apply to Patterson Bros., hardware dealers, 

 I'urK Kow, New York. 



R. P.— concerning sharpies write to Mr. CTapham, Koslyn, L. I, 

 Just the boat lor Florida waters, 



W. H. F. and otters.— For prices, etc., of cutter Elvira write In 

 John Galway, iu Broad St., New York. 



]•". M. 13— Will publish something about: mildew nest, week. Do uot 

 lime satis unless fur last season ol their use. 



E T. —Madge's sails us follows : Hoist ol mainsail, 27 ft. ; boom, Sr 

 ft. ; gaff, li »• ; bowsprit euttioard, SI ft, ; topmast is aa it. above cap 



c ; \v jl - for sloop 20 ft. over aU, hoist of mainsail about lis ft. on 

 boom about -tl ■ ■ ft. ou gatfli ft. aud jib on ioi.i i:m, it. Topmast 

 above cap 'J ft. See other answers. 



\y g —Nothing new concerning the Be Bay propeller has trans- 

 pired or lute. Third; (lie device good lor speed, hut, somewhat com. 

 plicated for general use in the merchant service. !Sec last year's hie- 

 ol London Engineering. 



p.— President, makes ten appointments at large tor tho U. S. Naval 

 jV • .,,!,.[, |V , ■ ■■■ ,;e;,r. I 1 fo-ldent uarllcM did hot make any for lss3 

 and Mil- 'privilege devolves upon Ills successor. You may apply dl- 



v.. V. B, Washington, D. C— In your is>sue of Oct. 6 1 saw a lie a- 

 lion Of the llarnegat sneak box. Where are iliey made and what I? 

 the address of the maker? Ans. Kushton makes them. See hi-; ad 

 verlisuncnL elsewhere. 



W i p —Twin screw light draft launch illustrated In our Issue nl 



MavV'iss'' or wrhe n> Mr i l.ipham, IMsl.vu, I. You snerlti - 



intr inV livin -crew launch, except spued in rough water, owing til 



v k m u-ii.-1'b N f —Win buckskin well tanned make as good 

 shocsfor inn Une purposes aa common leath;r: Ans. Buckskin u 

 ;,.,al'|,.,i m n-::, .'in: ni, -i.ws lus not so suitable as soma 



ol the more durable kinds e, • 



I r i i, ., i s is.— To h-vv'' vein- b.irr. is properly 'browned send 

 , ,,,;;,, ,-,', - , . - ill '■■ HI or worm the increased 



,.'. ,,..,,.. . ■ , ,, , , ii n our columnsean 



d'ofhCWOrk |, ',",, ■; 



a N H , Delphos, Ivan. — Will yOB I'.eise Inform me how to make 

 m v ihei.e li.-.r- - aiuer V 1 -' gauge i> ; Pis., and I use a dr-=. and ' 

 -l,.,nis in. ci, os.. close. Ans. Try Lhe aiue amount of powder with 

 less shot, say % oz. of No. to, or \ qa. ot No. B. 



.1. a., Poughkeepsle.— Can you give me the full pedigree ot 

 Kcnyou's Gorton Better, which was.bred to St. Klida In 1872? Ans. 



