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13,000 of them — were yearlings; but I say 8,000 to be safe and sure 

 that I have got him. 



Mr. McGuire. Do you say that Lembkey's statement was that 

 there were 13,000 of them yearlings? 



Mr. Elliott. Lembkey's statement of the length of a yearling 

 skin was 



Air. McGuire (interposing). You just stated that Lembkey stated 

 that 13,000 of them were yearlings. Did you or did you not say 

 that? 



Mr. Elliott. I mean, Lembkey — what I said I am not sure about — ■ 

 but I mean I had this in mind, that Lembkey's statement before this 

 committee was that a yearling sealskin was 36^ inches long, and, 

 taking his statement as my guide, over 13,000 of them were not over 

 36^ inches long of this 30,000. 



Mr. McGuire. As a matter of fact, where you differ from all these 

 other gentlemen is on your computation as to the measurement of 

 skins, weights, etc. ? 



Mr. Elliott. There is no computation about it, it is a fact; they 

 are so long and so wide. 



Air. McGuire. I know; but your difference with the gentlemen is 

 as to the measurements and weights ? 



Air. Elliott. But your scientists came before this committee, and 

 said they did not know anything about it; not one knew anything 

 about it; but Lembkey did. 



Air. McGuire. They did not say that. 



Air. Elliott. They did say that. 



Air. AIcGuire. Well, the}?- did not. 



Air. Elliott. They said that before the committee, and you have 

 got their testimony to the effect that not one knows a thing about a 

 yearling seal. 



Air. AIcGuire. That is your contention. 



Air. Elliott. It is in the testimony; just look at their testimony. 



AIi\ AIcGuire. I have looked at it, and you differ from them; that 

 is all there is to it. 



Air. Elliott. I inquired of them and they could not say; they 

 declared they did not know what a yearling seal was, and that is in 

 the record here. 



AIi\ AIcGuire. Well, if it is in the record that is all there is to it. 



The Chairman. My recollection of that is this: That I asked these 

 men to come here at the suggestion of Secretary Nagel and they came, 

 and they said they did not remember anything about it; that is my 

 recollection of it. I may be mistaken, but we will look at the testi- 

 mony in the hearings. 



Mr. AIcGuire. If you remember, he differed with them as to the 

 measurements and weights; that it was a question whether the fat 

 was left on the skins, and all that sort of thing ; and they differed with 

 Air. Elliott and said there were no yearlings killed. Personally I have 

 not followed this as closely as I might except since the Government 

 took charge, but after the Government took charge I did follow it very 

 closely. I am quite f amiliar with the testimony of those people and 

 I know where they differed from Mr. Elliott and where they did not 

 differ, and I know how many differed from him. The only reason I 

 object — -I really am not objecting, but from what I have read of the 

 testimony and the statements of Dr. Jordan, whom I regard as a man 



