INVESTIGATION OF THE FUR-SEAL INDUSTRY OF ALASKA. 11 



Mr. Watkins (interposing). Was it shown that they came from 

 that territory? 



Mr. Elliott. Yes, sir. 



The Chairman. Who is responsible for the killing of 8,000 seals in 

 violation of that order, issued in 1896 ? 



Mr. Elliott. I think the officials of the Government in charge at 

 that time. 



The Chairman. Well, mention the names, if you know of anybody. 



Mr. Elliott. Well, I describe it in detail here, beginning with Dr. 

 Jordan in 1896 and ending with Williams and I. Stanley Brown in 

 1890-91 and Lembkey in 1909-10. 



The Chairman. Describe it to the committee. 



Mr. Watkins. You are sworn, and we are taking your evidence. 



Mr. Elliott. I am making a sworn statement. 



Mr. Watkins. What we want to know is what you now state under 

 oath with reference to it. 



Mr. Elliott. I will state all of this detail in my report under oath. 

 I wish to put my report in, under oath, to save the asking of all these 

 questions, because the details are all there which the gentleman is 

 asking for, and his questions would indicate that he has evidently 

 not seen the report. 



Mr. Watkins. I have not. 



Mr. Elliott. Then I begin to understand why you ask these 

 questions and I wish to have this put in, under oath, as my state- 

 ment; that is, my report. 



The Chairman. That will go in, but I take it for granted 



Mr. Elliott (interposing). I have got all the details in here, on 

 pages 75-84, inclusive, of my report under "Exhibit B." 



Mr. Watkins. But his report is not to be incorporated hi the 

 stenographer's report. 



The Chairman. Oh, no. 



Mr. Watkins. Because it is already in print. 



The Chairman. What I wish to ask you is this: Who was the 

 special agent of the Government on the seal islands in 1896 ? 



Mr. Elliott. In 1896 the special agent of the Government in 

 charge of the seal islands was one J. B. Crowley, who was placed under 

 Dr. D. S. Jordan, by supplementary orders. Crowley entered this 

 May 14, 1896 — Secretary Carlisle's — order of the department on June 

 17 following, but Dr. Jordan came up soon after, and took charge of 

 the whole killing. J. Stanley-Brown was the agent of the lessees, 

 and the two men cooperated together. Then Dr. Jordan sent a> 

 report to the Treasury Department in which he said no yearlings 

 were killed that year. 



The Chairman. All of that is mentioned in your report ? 



Mr. Elliott. It is all in here. He knew what a yearling seal was, 

 and he knew that they killed 8,000 yearlings that year. 



Mr. McGuire. Mr. Chairman, there are gentlemen here who were 

 not members of the committee at the time of the previous hearings, 

 and probably they want to hear this in detail, but these details were 

 all gone into some time ago. 



The Chairman. You mean the hearings in the last Congress ? 



Mr. McGuire. Yes. 



The Chairman. But we did notkaow anything about these regula- 

 tions being on record up there. That was news to me. 



