116 INVESTIGATION OF THE FUR-SEAL INDUSTRY OF ALASKA. 



Q. When, after this year, 1890, did you get orders to kill those 

 small seals — to kill all of them that came in the drives ? — A. In 1896 

 we commenced to take the 5-pound skins, to the best of our recollec- 

 tion. 



Q. Who directed this work of killing the small seals (molodets) on 

 the killing grounds ? — A. We do not remember; but J. Stanley Brown 

 was the company's agent at that time. 



Q. Did the Government agents object ? — A. We do not remember. 



Q. Did the Government agents supervise and tally this killing of 

 small seals at any time from 1894 to 1904? — A. Yes. 



Q. When the small seals were ordered killed how much blubber was 

 taken with the skins? — A. We got orders to leave some blubber on 

 those skins, and they still have it at this time. 



Q. Did you drive and kill seals last summer? — A. Yes. 



Q. How large were they? — A. We killed them by ages as we had 

 killed them before. Mr. Lembkey was the Government agent and 

 Mr. George A. Clark was counting the seals. When we were salting 

 skins last year Mr. Clark did not allow us to stretch the skins, as we 

 always have done and do when spreading them in the kench as we 

 salt them. We stretch them out about 2 or 3 inches as we spread 

 them, then put salt on them, and then they shrink back into their 

 natural shape. 



Q. How many food seals did you kill last year ? — A. Their skins are 

 in the salt house. We do not remember the exact number. 



Q. Have you ever driven " holluschickie " (bachelors) from the 

 "laas butschie" (rookeries) ? — A. Carp Booterin says he has not been 

 out for a drive for a long time, but Neon Tetoff says that he went out 

 to drive the seals after Carp's time, and the seals are going close to 

 the cows, because they are getting small. 



Q. Did you use whistles to start them out ? — A. We used to use 

 whistles, but not lately. 



Q. How often have you driven them from the rookeries in this 

 manner ? — A. We stopped using whistles about 20 years ago, but we 

 do not know exactly. 



Q. Have you ever reported the killing of female seals to the Gov- 

 ernment agents ? — A. When we clubbed the seals we would tell the 

 Government agent, and then the Government agent would tell us to 

 be careful about the cows and not club them. 



Q. If so, what did they say? — A. "Be careful and not hit them on 

 the face; not hit the cows." If there were any cows in the pod we 

 used to let them go if we knew it. 



Q. Do you remember when the Senators (Dillingham, Nelson, 

 Burnham, and Patterson) came here in 1903 ? — A. Yes. 



Q. Were you one of the natives that killed seals for them, to see how 

 you did it ? — A. We were all there. 



Q. Where did you drive those seals from that (August 3) morning, 

 for this killing to show the Senators ? — A. From the reef. We started 

 to kill seals at 5 o'clock in the morning, but we do not remember the 

 time when we had the drive from the reef. 



Q. Who directed the work? — A. The Government agents and the 

 company agents. The Government agents were Mr. Lembkey and 

 Mr. Judge, and the company's agents were Mr. Ridpath and Mr. Allis. 



Q. After Senator Nelson found three female carcasses which your 

 party had killed, did you look for any more? — A. We did not watch 

 for it. We did not pay attention to it. 



