442 INVESTIGATION OF THE FUR-SEAL INDUSTRY OF ALASKA. 



Mr. Clark. The size of a small pup, which is a 2-year-old animal, 

 is given in the list of annuals in the Paris Tribunal of Arbitration 



The Chairman. One moment. Answer my question first and then 

 you can make your comment. If the London catalogues state that 

 there were about 7,000 small pups and extra small pups killed, were 

 they yearling seals, or not? 



Mr. Clark. They were not. 



The Chairman. They were not yearling seals ? 



s Mr. Clark. Not in my judgment. 



The Chairman. Do not those catalogues classify them according 

 to sizes? 



Mr. Clark. Well, they do, yes; and also 



The Chairman (interposing). One moment. If the skins in those 

 catalogues were recorded here by the agents on the seal islands as 

 weighing the same and afterwards it was discovered they were 

 smaller skins in London, that would argue that you were mistaken in 

 saying there were no yearling seals killed. Just answer that ques- 

 tion. Would not that show you were mistaken ? 



Mr. Clark. I want to get clear what the question is. 



The Chairman. My recollection is that the London catalogues for 

 the catch of 1909 state that about 7,000 small pups and extra small 

 pups were taken in 1909; and if they were recorded as weighing as 

 much in the Bureau of Fisheries as the larger skins then you must 

 be mistaken about the killing of yearlings, because you depended on 

 the weights here, did you not? 



Mr! Clark. Yes, sir. 



The Chairman. Then if there were smaller skins, you were mis- 

 take i about the statement you made a moment ago, were you not? 



Mr. Clark. I do not believe there were smaller skins. 



The Chairman. Bui if the catalogues state that? 



Mr. Clark. The London catalogue does not give any measure- 

 ments that 1 have eve!' seen. 



The Chairman. I say now to you that if the London catalogues 

 provide for that, then is it not a fact that you are mistaken? 



Mr. Clark. I do-not see it that way, Mr. Rothermel. I can not 

 understand why the statement that I have made, that only animals 

 under 5 pounds can be considered as yearlings, interferes with the 

 catalogue of the London sale-. 



The Chairman. 1 repeat my question. My information is that of 

 the catch of 1909 about 7,000 art' noted in the London catalogues as 

 small pups and extra small pups, but that the weights were recorded 

 the same in the Bureau of Fisheries, as weighing as much as 2-year- 

 olds and over. Now, if those facts are true, then you must be mis- 

 baken : i> not that so 1 



M-. Clark. 1 can not admit those facts. 



The Chairman. But if those facts ire true— you are an expert. 



Mr. Clark. That is a hypothetical question and I want to deal 

 with facts. I do not wanr to talk here about hypothetical conditions. 

 I have never been to London. 



The Chairman. I am asking you a question about the catch of 

 190!». You were sent up as an expert to make the examination. 

 Now, it is for you to explain that difference. 



Mr. Clark. Well, may I do it with the material I have at hand 

 here '. 



