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The Chairman. And 3^ou say you did not discover the Carlisle 

 regulations while you were up there ? 



Mr. Clark. We were informed merely that the limit of killing was 6 

 pounds. That is all. I never heard of the Carlisle regulations until 

 after the publication of this last hearing. We understood that 

 Assistant Secretary Hamlin had issued directions that no skin under 

 the weight of 6 pounds should be taken, and we were well enough 

 satisfied that that condition was met. 



The Chairman. Have you seen the record of Special Agent Lemp- 

 kev's sworn testimony before this committee February 19 and April 

 13, 1912, in Hearing No. 9 ? 



Mr. Clark. I do not recall the specific reference. 



The Chairman. Have you ever measured the skin of a yearling 

 seal? 



Mr. Clark. No ; I have not. 



The Chairman. Have you ever measured the skin of a 2-year-old 

 seal ? 



Mr. Clark. Yes, sir. 



The Chairman. How long are they? 



Mr. Clark. Well, they vary very greatly. For instance, here 

 are 205 of them. The average length of a green 2-year-old is 32.1 

 inches; the average girth is 22.4 inches. After being in salt for 10 

 days the average length of a skin was 36.1 inches, and the average 

 girth was 24.1 inches. 



The Chairman. Now, that is your judgment about the size of the 

 skin of a yearling seal? 



Mr. Clark. That is the actual record. 



Mr. McGuere. Of the yearling seal ? 



Mr. Clark. No; of the 2-year-old. I said we have not had the 

 privilege of seeing yearlings killed or having measured them. I went 

 to call attention to the fact that this record of 2-year-old skins, which 

 is 32 inches, is below the record which Mr. Elliott has fixed for the 

 yearling, which is 30 to 34 inches. 



Mr. McGuire. Then you say that that is the size of a 2-year-old 

 seal? 



Mr. Clark. That is the size of the 2-year-old seal. 



Mr. McGuire. Thirty-two inches ? 



Mr. Clark. Thirty-two inches; length of green skin, I mean. 



Mi. McGuire. Yes. 



Mr. Clark. We took 205 of these animals, knocked them down 

 and measured them as animals. We have here the length from nose 

 to root of tail and girth behind the shoulders, the individual animal 

 weight, the green-skin length, the green-skin breadth, and the green- 

 skin weight. Then we have the salted weight and measurement, 

 length and breadth. That is ail outlined in my report of 1912. 



Mr. McGuiee. Who assisted you in this ? 



Mr. Clark. Mr^M. C. Marsh and Mr. Walter I. Lembkey. 



Mr. McGuire. How do you know they were 2-year-old seals? 



Mr. Clark. Because we obeyed the regulations, which say 



The Chairman (interposing). Well, but how do you know it? A 

 while ago you said you could not tell it. 



Mr. Clark. I said I could not distinguish between a 2-year-old 

 and a yearling ? 



The Chairman. Yes. 



