484 INVESTIGATION OP THE FUR-SEAL INDUSTRY OF ALASKA. 



Mr. Clark. I have stated of that year- 



The Chairman (interposing). Is it not a fact that you stated that 

 extra small pups were yearling seals ? 



Mr. Clark. I would like to state the rest of it. They exceed the 

 average of extra small pups; they exceed the average established by 

 Mr. Elliott for a yearling seal, because the London classification says 

 that an extra small pup's skin is 4 pounds and 15 ounces, and Mr. 

 Elliott's classification says a yearling seal's skin is 4| pounds. 



Mr. Watkins. That would be 5 pounds, would it not? 



Mr. Clark. The London classification, as I have stated, comes 

 under 5 pounds. I would not want to question that, because it is 

 pretty close to 5 pounds, and, as we know, the salted weights are 

 lower. Salting decreases the weight of the skin, and we know that 

 the London classification of 4 pounds and 15 ounces ought to have 

 an addition made to it to get back to the weight of the green skins. 



Mr. Watkins. I understood you to say 4 pounds and 16 ounces. 



Mr. Clark. I said 4 pounds and 15 ounces, which is below 5 

 pounds. As we now know, salting decreases the weight. It was 6.4 

 ounces a skin on 205 skins experimented with and therefore, we 

 would have to add something to that 4 pounds and 15 ounces, and 

 that would bring the extra small pups up into the category of 2-year- 

 olds. 



The Chairman. We do not want to get away from the question I 

 put to you regarding the killing of yearlings. You stated that only 

 711 yearling seals were taken between 1904 and 1911, did you not? 



Mr. Clark. Won't you allow me to make a complete statement 

 about it? 



The Chairman. Didn't you make that statement? 



Mr. Clark. I would like to see the statement, or have it read, to 

 see whether I actually stated it or not. 



The Chairman. I will leave it to the committee. 



Mr. Clark. The point I want to get at is this 



The Chairman (interposing). I want a direct answer first to my 

 question: Did you say a while ago that not more than 711 yearling 

 seals were taken since 1904 out of a total of 93,323? 



Mr. Clark. If I stated that, I meant to state that there were 711 

 skins in those 93,323 skins that were below the standard which was 

 developed and fixed as the boundary line between yearlings and 

 2-year-old seals. 



The Chairman. Do you mean to inform the committee that not 

 more than 711 seals of that class were taken out of that total of 93,323 ? 



Mr. Clark. Yes, sir. 



The Chairman. Then you stated further that "extra small" pups 

 were yearling seals. You did say that. 



Mr. Clark. Under the London classification, if you take them 

 below 5 pounds; yes, sir. 



The Chairman. If Mr. Lembkey stated that 1,528 extra small 

 pups were taken in the catch of 1910, then you must be mistaken? 



Mr. Clark. But I do not know anything about this category that 

 you are putting up to me. 



The Chairman. If Mr. Lembkey swore that 1,528 extra small pups 

 were taken in the catch of 1910, do vou mean to say that he did not 

 tell the truth ! 



Mr. Clark. Can not that be ascertained from Mr. Lembkey? 



