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that would have given a basis of comparison with the green skin 

 weights which we were recording against these skins. Mr. Elliott 

 would not do that, and I then asked the privilege of doing it. He 

 refused me the privilege on the ground that I was interfering with 

 Ins experiment. 



Mr. McGuire. Did he show you instructions that he was to be 

 unmolested in what he was doing and it was a matter entirely of his 

 own ? 



Mr. Clark. He showed me no instructions to that effect, but he 

 read to us this manifesto which the chairman read this morning, and 

 the impression I gathered from that was that we were not to interfere. 



Mr. McGutre. Did he object to your interfering? 



Mr. Clark. He did, most strenuously. 



The Chairman. Did Gallagher hear that ? 



Mr. Clark. Yes. 



The Chairman. He was sitting right beside you ? 



Mr. Clark. He was standing, taking down the record, yes. 



Mr. McGutre. When you protested against the weighing of this 

 salt and this twine and the two seal skins at a time, what did he do ? 



Mr. Clark. Ordered the proceedings to go on, and the bundling 

 went on. As soon as the bundle was tied up securely it was turned 

 over to Mr. Hatton to take the weight of it as a bundle, and then we 

 bracketed, as you will see in the figures here, those two skins, with 

 the salt in between them, and the binding twine around them, 

 against the measurement and the weights of the individual green 

 skins. Then it was asserted by Mr. Elliott that the bundle exceeding 

 in weight the individual skins in the green state, the point that salting 

 increased the weight of the skins had been demonstrated. 



Mr. McGutre. He made that assertion ? 



Mr. Clark. Yes. 



Mr. McGutre. Had you taken the same two skins in each case 

 that were weighed together with the rock salt and the twine, and 

 weighed them together as they were green ? Did you take the green 

 weight of the skins ? 



Mr. Clark. No ; they were taken by the agents at the time of the 

 killing, practically 20 days before. 



Mr. McGuire. And then salted? 



Mr. Clark. Yes; they were taken by Mr. Lembkey. Mr. Elliott 

 accepted Mr. Lembkey' s green skin weights as recorded. 



Mr. McGuire. You weighed them by twos after the rock salt and 

 twiDe were added to them? 



Mr. Clark. Yes. 



Mr. McGuire. Do you know whether they were weighed by twos 

 and the same two skins in each case when they were green ? 



Mr. Clark. Yes; individually. 



Mr. McGuire. The same two skins? 



Mr. Clark. Yes. 



Mr. McGutre. Did you find that with the rock salt and the twine, 

 about which you spoke, weighed m each case with the two skins, 

 they ran heavier or lighter than the green skins ? 



Mr. Clark. Considerable heavier. 



Mr. McGutre. With your knowledge of that test, as it was taken 

 there, state whether it could have been and whether it was an accu- 

 rate test. 



