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could make up for 100 per cent of difference in the weight of the 

 entire skins. 



The Chairman. How do you account for that ? 



Mr. Gallagher. It must be due to the blubber on the skin. 



The Chairman. It seems to me that Mr. Clark stated that at one 

 place where he saw 18 bulls that you said there were 38. Can you 

 explain that ? 



Mr. Gallagher. I read that statement in Mr. Clark's testimony, 

 and I have no doubt that Mr. Clark and I agreed that there were 18 

 bulls when he said we did. We had many conversations that day, 

 although I do not remember that particular one. But my method 

 of procedure was to go over these places, as designated on Mr. Elli- 

 ott's chart, and count them or estimate them. I actually counted 

 them whenever possible. Mr. Clark said that he asked me whether 

 at a certain place there were 18 bulls and that I replied there were, 

 but that my report shows 38 bulls. I think Mr: Clark did not know 

 my method of procedure. I would go along and take these desig- 

 nated places on Mr. Elliott's chart, and if I counted 18 bulls there, 

 and I saw several more harems down there, I would walk along and 

 count 6 there, which would* make 24 in my mind, and I would walk 

 down a little farther, and if I saw 6 there that would make 30 in my 

 mind, and if, when I got down to the end of that particularly desig- 

 nated place on the chart, I saw 8 more, that made 38, and at that 

 time I made the note. I think that will explain Mr. Clark's mistake 

 in regard to that particular thing. 



The Chairman. In other words, you think it was a difference of 

 locality and space on which these different animals were found? 

 That while he counted them on one spot you had more spots added 

 to your count ? 



Mr. Gallagher. Yes, sir. 



Mr. McGuire. I do not know whether the committee will want him 

 to change his statement or not, but it assumes that Mr. Clark made 

 a mistake. 



The Chairman. No. 



Mr. McGuire. Yes; he said, "that will explain Mr. Clark's mis- 

 take." 



The Chairman. I do not think he means that. 



Mr. McGuire. I do not think he does, either. 



The Chairman. It is a difference of opinion between the two as 

 to 



Mr. Gallagher (interposing). That is what I meant to imply, 

 that he did not understand the method by which I was working. 

 I do not doubt that Mr. Clark's statement is entirely correct, that 

 at that particular place there were IS bulls and that I agreed with 

 him that there were 18 bulls. But I just do not think he knew 

 my method of carrying them in my mind until I finished a certain 

 spot there. 



The Chairman. Did you see the Carlisle rules? 



Mr. Gallagher. Yes, sir. 



The Chairman. You and Mr. Elliott examined a number of docu- 

 ments there and you attested them as correct? 



Mr. Gallagher. Yes, sir. 



The Chairman. Are they all correct as you have noted them in 

 your report ? 



