INVESTIGATION OF THE FUR-SEAL INDUSTRY OF ALASKA. 659 



Mr. McGuire. In other words, your work was entirely independent; 

 you and Mr. Elliott were counting independently of them and they 

 of you ? 



Mr. Gallagher. Yes, sir; although Mr. Clark and I had many 

 conversations, as I stated before, as to the different number of seals 

 here and there. 



Mr. McGuire. Do 3 t ou remember how many seals you estimated 

 on St. Paul Island in the four days ? 



Mr. Gallagher. I can find that from the report. 



Mr. McGuire. Well, the report will show? 



Mr. Gallagher. The report will show those figures; yes, sir. 



Mr. McGuire. Did you count the pups? 



Mr. Gallagher. No, sir. 



Mr. McGuire. I mean the pups born in 1913. 



Mr. Gallagher. No, sir. 



Mr. McGuire. Did you make any effort to count them ? 



Mr. Gallagher. No, sir. 



Mr. McGuire. Was anything said to you about counting the pups 

 by Mr. Elliott or anyone else ? 



Mr. Gallagher. Yes; he spoke of the futility of counting pups. 



Mr. McGuire. Just what did he say to you about it? 



Mr. Gallagher. Well, he seemed to think it was an impossible 

 proposition to count them. 



Mr. McGuire. Did he state to you that he believed it impossible to 

 count the pups? 



Mr. Gallagher. Yes, sir. 



Mr. McGuire. And you got that impression from Mr. Elliott? 



Mr. Gallagher. Yes, sir. 



Mr. McGuire. Of your own knowledge you were not sufficiently 

 skilled in that work to know whether that work could be done or not ? 



Mr. Gallagher. No, sir; except that from some of the cliffs and 

 some of the places in which I saw the seals there, I would not think it 

 would be possible. 



Mr. McGuire. Then you did not think it possible to count the 

 pups; is that right? 



Mr. Gallagher. Yes, sir. . 



Mr. McGuire. From your experience there? 



Mr. Gallagher. Yes, sir; not on those rookeries, no, sir. 



Mr. McGuire. You do not know whether they were counted by 

 others ? 



Mr. Gallagher. I do not; but I have heard that Mr. Clark counted 

 them. 



Mr. McGuire. Well, do you think you made a reasonably accurate 

 count of the seals on that island — St. Paul Island? 



Mr. Gallagher. I think we made a good, common-sense estimate 

 of the number of seals on the island. 



Mr. McGuire. You regard it only as an estimate? 



Mr. Gallagher. Yes, sir. 



Mr. McGuire. That is, if there were half the older seals at sea 

 when you made the estimate you were unable to reach them except 

 by an estimate; is that right? 



Mr. Gallagher. Yes, sir. 



Mr. McGuire. You, of course, had no conception of how many 

 were at sea ? 



