756 INVESTIGATION OF THE FUR-SEAL INDUSTRY OF ALASKA. 



Mr. Elliott. No; all the bulls, active and inactive. I rounded 

 them up in another place, about 1,700. 



Mr. McGuire. I am trying to get the number of inactive bulls. 



Mr. Elliott. I have got them indicated as spent and helpless, 

 but I count them up in a final summary on one of the pages here. 

 Let us see where it is. Anybody that goes over my work can trace 

 every step, locate every pod, and so forth. 



Mr. McGuire. I am asking you about other matters. So you did 

 not especially classify the old or inactive bulls ? 



Mr. Elliott. Certainly not. Why should I ? 



Mr. McGuire. Now, then, what basis did you use for the counting 

 of the cows ? 



Mr. Elliott. The basis that I recognized and published in 1873 

 and 1874. 



Mr. McGuire. What was that? 



Mr. Elliott. That half of them were never present at any one 

 time after the 10th of July to the 20th, the time of the height of the 

 breeding season. Let me read to you what I published in— 



Mr. McGuire (interposing). No; you need not do that. I am 

 asking you what you did up there and that might encumber the 

 record. If necessary, in your judgement and in the judgment of 

 the committee, you can later put it in. 



Mr. Elliott. No. If you do not dispute it, it is all right. 



Mr. McGuire. You proceeded to count the cows that were on the 

 islands I 



Mr. Elliott. In each harem as nearly as we could. 



Mr. McGuire. As nearly as you could '. 



Mr. Elliott. Yes: as nearly as we could. No man has a right 

 to say that he can "accurately count" those seals. 



Mr. McGuire. You counted the cows as nearly as you could? 



Mr. Elliott. Yes, sir. 



Mr. McGuire. Then — — 



Mr. Elliott (interposing). And then doubled them. 



Mr. McGuire. You doubled them '. 



Mr. Elliott. Yes. 



Mr. McGuire. And that was the basis of your computation \ 



Mr. Elliott. Yes. sir. 



Mr. McGuire. Did you count the pups \ 



Mr. Elliott. No. That is ludicrous. 



Mr. McGuire. It is ludicrous that you did not count them \ 



Mr. Elliott. I say. it would be a ludicrous attempt for me to 

 attempt to count the pups — that is, made an ''accurate count."' 



Mr. McGuire. Do you mean by that they can not be counted '. 



Mr. Elliott. I mean they can not be " all counted accurately." 

 No living man can do it. 



Mr. McGuire. Now. Mr. Elliott, you heard the testimony of 



Mr. Elliott (interposing). I heard it. 



Mr. McGuire. Of Mr. Clark, that they accurately counted the 

 pups. 



Mr. iuuiOTT. I heard it. 



Mr. McGuire. You heard the testimony of Mr. Lembkey '. 



Mr. Elliott. I did not hear him say they had " accurately counted " 

 the pups. 



Mr. McGuire. You saw the signed statement of the people who 



id the counting? 



